In article >,  (Eva S. B
alogh) says:
>
 (George Barac) wrote:
>
>>They will never understand that the only reason why
>>>Transilvania was, once, part of Hungary was that Hungary was part of an empi
re
>>>who engulfed Transilvania by force.
>
>        At the outset I want to tell you that I am not one of the people who
>think that Transylvania should belong to Hungary. On the other hand,
>being a historian, I can't go by the above sentence without commenting
>on it, or rather correcting it.
>
>        Transylvania had been part of Hungary way before the country became
>part of the Habsburg Empire. To be precise already in the tenth and
>eleventh centuries. By the end of St. Stephen's reign Transylvania was
>already organized along county lines (megye'k), for example, Szatma'r,
>Szolnok, Doboka, Kolozs, Torda, Ku:ku:llo", and Fehe'r. There were
>so-called "ispa'ni va'rak," like Szatma'r, De's, Kraszna, Doboka,
>Torda, Ku:ku:llo"va'r, and Gyulafehe'rva'r.
>        Therefore, you are wrong thinking that the only reason for the
>Hungarian possession was the House of Habsburgs. The Habsburgs didn't
>even exist when Hungary already was in possession of Transylvania
>(Erde'ly).

Further to this point, who on these two ngs believes that Transylvania
belongs to the people of Transylvania and not to the politicians of 
any particular nation-state? 

Were there not good periods in the history of Transylvania when it 
flourished under it's own tutelage rather anyone else's? Is there,
perhaps, a real case for Transylvanian autonomy? I'd just like to
read some considered, non-partizan opinions on this thought.

Regards,
 
George

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Eva S. Balogh wrote:
> 
>  (George Barac) wrote:
> 
> >They will never understand that the only reason why
> >>Transilvania was, once, part of Hungary was that Hungary was part of an emp
ire
> >>who engulfed Transilvania by force.
> 
>         At the outset I want to tell you that I am not one of the people who
> think that Transylvania should belong to Hungary. On the other hand,
> being a historian, I can't go by the above sentence without commenting
> on it, or rather correcting it.
> 
>         Transylvania had been part of Hungary way before the country became
> part of the Habsburg Empire. To be precise already in the tenth and
> eleventh centuries. By the end of St. Stephen's reign Transylvania was
> already organized along county lines (megye'k), for example, Szatma'r,
> Szolnok, Doboka, Kolozs, Torda, Ku:ku:llo", and Fehe'r. There were
> so-called "ispa'ni va'rak," like Szatma'r, De's, Kraszna, Doboka,
> Torda, Ku:ku:llo"va'r, and Gyulafehe'rva'r.
>         Therefore, you are wrong thinking that the only reason for the
> Hungarian possession was the House of Habsburgs. The Habsburgs didn't
> even exist when Hungary already was in possession of Transylvania
> (Erde'ly).
> 
>         Eva S. Balogh

          Well written !  PK

Gabor Barsai > wrote:
>
>Meg mindig jobb mint ha Hazaffy vagy Magyarffy lenne. Talan Pannonffy?

Still feeling those chips on your shoulder, Kuraffy?

JP

Liviu Iordache > wrote:
>
>In January and February the exhibition was mentioned by  both
>Telegrama and Rador.  I recall exciting rumors concerning secret
>archives and records on early Christian missionaries and rulers in the
>territory of present day Romania. Then, a  subtle change in the nuance

I noticed that too.  The most puzzling thing to me was that some
Romanians, like that senator seemed to know already what those Vatican
documents would reveal before they were opened to the public.
How could they know?  What if those documents did not "deliver" the
hoped for "proofs"?  Could they have gotten a hint that indeed that was
the case and that's why the sudden change in emphasis?

This thing should be fun to watch as it evolves.

Joe

>HUNGARIAN RADIO, TV ON BRINK OF BANKRUPTCY. The managements of Hungarian
>Radio and TV are preparing for drastic austerity measures as the
>institutions have reached virtual bankruptcy, Hungarian dailies reported
>on 18 April. While consultations are taking place with the Prime
>Minister's Office, Hungarian Radio and TV Board Chairman Mihaly Tamas
>Revesz said on 17 April that a total of 4.5 billion forints ($30
>million) in "fast aid" would be justifiable for Hungarian Radio,
>Hungarian TV, and the TV satellite channel, Duna TV. Hungarian Radio's
>financial data reveal that the institution faces a 800 million forint
>debt, while its deficit could reach 3 billion forints by the end of
>1996. State subsidies only cover 5% of the radio's expenditures, and not
>more than half of its funds come from advertisers and sponsors. --

I wonder where do these guys at the Radio get the idea that they should
be immune to economic downturns.  They should have cut Radio's bloated
personnel long time ago!  Or at least cut those huge salaries to reflect
more what other, similarly trained people make in Hungary.

Joe Pannon

 (Robert Kendzie) wrote:

>I am researching a screenplay and am desperately looking for information 
>on the life of St. Stephen, the first king of Hungary.  I am especially 
>interested in myths and stories surrounding this man.  How did he become 
>king?  Why was he made a saint?  How did he die?  Is the Holy Dexter 
>really his right hand- how did he lose it?

>Please respond  or post here.

St. Stephen, or Stephen I (I. Istva'n) was the first king of Hungary
(born sometime between 967 and 975 and died on August 15, 1038. He was
the direct descendent of the first prince of the Hungarian
principality, A'lmos and his son A'rpa'd. The House of A'rpa'd was the
first reigning royal family of Hungary. He was born as "Vajk," and
received the name Istva'n (Stephen) in baptism. He was married to a
Bavarian princess, Gisella (around 996) and had several children,
among them only one son, Imre (Emerich) who died in a hunting
accident. Although Istva'n's father, Ge'za had done a lot to bring
Christianity to Hungary and to bring Hungary into Europe, it was
Stephen under whose reign paganism was more or less wiped out. He was
certainly not a very Christian soul in the sense that he had no
problem to quarter some of his relatives who didn't accept the
Christian faith. He became a saint about 80 years after his death.
According to testimonies several miracles happened at his grave but in
those days these miracles were not too carefully scrutinized. He
became a saint basically because he Christianized the Hungarians.

The Holy Right Hand is most likely wasn't his.

If you want more, I can dig up details of Stephen's reign.

Eva Balogh

Holland-magyar forditot keresel jutanyos aron?
Szivesen segitek! Kuldj egy e-mailt klaranak.

Udv.

>Some of the American soldiers may want to attend performances at
>Budapest's ornate opera house on the Danube river front or to
>take a leisurely river cruise.

When did they move that Opera to the river front?

Joe Pannon

What is this o'dor? Does anyone smell a rat? 

Quick....where is the raticide....
[Just kidding about the raticide...]

Pleeze Mr.O'dor, when you do speak, would you speak for yourself only...it
really
confuses the issue when you speak for all of us on SCM. I for one, am not
on your
waive lenght.

Udv.,
me
> ==========================================>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
A draga Isternert kedves Balogh Eva. Nem tudna inkabb paranoiajat 
szakemberrel kezeltetni? Miert kell nekuknk ezt itt nekunk az SCM-en 
olvasni?
(Termeszetesen a jogat nem vitatjuk el ehhez, de higgye el, maganak is 
jobb lenne, ha szakertobb kezek gondoskodnanak onrol.)
Nagy tiszteloje, <<<<- - - - - - - -[  Yeah, right !  ]

O'dor Tibor

hello mindenki

egy vicz

Ket rendor talalkozik a Balatonon. Hat te mit csinalsz itt komam?  Mit 
csinalnek ? Naszuton vagyok. Na es hol a feleseged? O mar latta a 
Balatont.

Ket rendor Hat te mit csinalsz Jozsi? Levelet irok. Na es kinek irod a 
levelet?
Magamnak. Na es mi van benne?  Honnan tudjam meg nem kaptam meg.

sziasztok

 (Peter Szaszvari) wrote:


>You seem to loose your temper. BTW how can we be sure that you did not send 
>that letter to Elek ? From here I can't decide ...

	I personally made the mistake of sending the wrong letter to the wrong
place. Not once, not twice, but three times! And I am not the only one
who has done that.  Moreover, it is also possible that the copy of the
letter in question was sent to somebody else who then passed it on to
Gabor Elek.

	Eva Balogh

TGM wrote:
>neonaci, neonyilas, neoimredysta, neohorthysta

huh, huh,
he said, neo...
huh, huh...that's cool

neokocsis

In article >,
Laszlo G. Boros > wrote:
>lacko vagyok, teszt. lacko

Reading you, clear and loud :-)
Gy

For genealogy rearch looking for information about 
Dés
Déesy
Dézsy
Désy
Dési

etc.

A "HIX-Szalon" #1103-ban "Korszeru konzervativizmus" cim
alatt olvashato: "Meglehet, kellene politikai elitunknek nehany menet
a Forumban, talan ugy gyakorlatot szereznenek. (Istenem, egy Peto
Ivan-Pellionisz meccs ... elofizetnek arra az ujsagra, az biztos !)"

Allok az olvasoi kihivas elebe!  A HIX Forum-ban evek soran
sok alliberalis fereggel volt "szerencsem" megutkozni. Kelloen
felkeszultnek erzem magam egy avosfattyuval valo szellemi
osszecsapasra. Nem biztos persze, hogy a szellemi felkeszultseg
es/vagy nyilt vita vallalasa a (tulnyomo reszben korszeruen
konzervativ) amerikai magyar emigracioval szemben valo
megmerettetesre a masik oldalon (akar nyomokban is) fellelheto.

Ez kar lenne (a masik oldalnak), hisz tapasztaltuk az Interneten, hogy
Torgyan utan (http://www.siliconvalley.com/ nemzet/951124.html)
most mar a Clinton-rajongo liberalis Jeszenszky-nek is megjott a
"kedve" az amerikai magyar valasztok kegyeit keresni (igaz, hogy
neki csak egy igen rovid menetre futotta; ld.  http://hix.mit.edu/cgi-
bin/ekezet.html/hix/hixcore/senddoc/arch/SCM.0287..960325#tema
kor11).

Jellen szellemi osszecsapast (illetve ellenfel meg nem jelenese eseten
meg konnyebb gyozelmet) semleges palyan aratom le. Minthogy a HIX
Forumai cenzurazottak (harom honapos szilenciumom csak par napja
jart le!), a HIX kizarolagos, semleges feladattol diszkvalifikalta magat.
Igy vitaindito kerdeseimre az etalonjellegu (moderalhatatlan)
valaszokat a cenzurazhatatlan "soc.culture.magyar"-ra varom.
Mint minden jobb meccsen es annak kozvetitesein, a szurkolo
kozonseg termeszetesen kedvere bekiabalhat.

Vitaindito harom kerdesem Peto Ivanhoz:

(1) A Peto-vezette SZDSZ elen jar a megvetett politikai eroktol
valo szakadatlan "elhatarolodas-kovetelesekben". Eleg, ha valaki
egy-ket keresetlen szot hasznal, mar koveteloznek. Kerdezem tehat:

"Hajlando-e most kinyilvanitani nepgyilkos avos es munkasor
csocselek megveteset, es barmely azokban hajdani tagkent szereplo
szemellyel valo mindennemu szemelyszeru es szervezeti
kapcsolatanak AZONNALI felmondasat, vagy inkabb -esetleg
meg nyomokban meglevo- hitelet is teljesen elvesztve, felreall?"

(2) Ismeretes, hogy hivatasos hirszerzo Szatmari Jeno Istvan
koronatanukent jelentkezett a legteljesebb nyilvanossag elott,
sok kiadasban megjelent konyvevel arra, hogy Peto Ivan
szemelyesen vezeto szerepet jatszott a "Taxisblokad"
szervezeseben es iranyitasaban. Kerdezem tehat:

"Hajlando-e deklaralni, hogy nyiltan es torveny elott eskuvel
tanusitva  tisztazza magat koronatanu(k) vadjaval szemben, hogy a
Taxisblokad szemelyes szervezesevel es iranyitasaval tortent?  Ha
pedig artatlan polgari elegedtlenseg tortent csupan, helyenvalonak
mer-e nyilvanitani egy MOST szervezendo es most is allami
eroszakos beavatkozastol mentesen lefolytatando "Taxisblokadot",
a MOSTANI kormanyzat ellen? Ha pedig nem, esetleg -meg tan
nyomokban meglevo- hitelet is teljesen elvesztve, felreall?"

(3) Hiteltelen az a politikus, aki a nyiltsagot visszautasitja, hiszen
ha oszintetlen barmely kerdesben, ki hiheti el egyetlen szavat is?
Peto Ivan szemelyes hattere azonban kodos es ellentmondasokkal
terhes: pl. maig is tisztazatlan hogyan kerult a Parlament
nyilvantartasaba hogy "anyja neve: Kallai Eva". Meg hithu SZDSZ-
rajongok is tudni velik, hogy Peto szemelyes multjaban sotet dolgok
vannak. Mindaddig mig egy politikus szemelye kodos, nehezen
kepzelheto el hogy a nemzet sorskerdeseiben nyilt es oszinte tudna
lenni. Kerdezem tehat:

"Hajlando-e szemelyes multjat felfedni, pl. anyjanak es edesanyjanak
kiletet es politikai multjukat dokumentumokkal bizonyitani? Majd a
politikusok szamara kotelezo nyiltsag jegyeben meri-e deklaralni,
hogy a magyar paktumok, adossagugyek es mindennemu penzugyi
akciok TELJES ES NYILT ELSZAMOLASAT KOVETELI? Ha
pedig nem, hitelet tokeletesen elvesztve, felreall??"

Vita-valaszait repesve varva, udvozlettel:

Dr. Pellionisz Andras, magyar es USA allampolgar,
A San Francisco Obolkornyeki Magyar Kulturkozpont Fotitkara,
A 117 Amerikai magyar szervezetet tomorito AMOSZ igazgatosagi tagja

( P.S. fenti level megjelent a soc.culture.magyar - on, masolata
megkuldve Peto Ivan hivatalos e-mail cimere;  ,
s mivel maris olvasoi igeny mutatkozott, bekuldve a HIX-Forum
hasabjaira, stb. Amennyiben a soc.culture.magyar-ral (is) valamilyen
kommunikacios zavara lenne, olcso kifogasok elkerulesere valasz-
levelet postan is megkuldheti a soc.culture.magyar felterjesztesre:
Postacim: 1030 E. El Camino, #393, Sunnyvale, CA 94087 USA )

Subject: Re: Wordscrapers & Stuff
Gabor Barsai narrates:
|Subject: Mind Control: 47 Years
|Dear Citizens:
|     I am a victim of mind control.  I have been mind

Your narrative reminds me of an particular episode of the X-Files.
This is a document from one of the opening salvos of The Orwell Connection.

Taken from the Art-Hives of the Peoples Republic of Poetry
File: http://www.the-orwell-connection//html
Document ID: 

Subject: Re: Wordscrapers & Stuff
 (Mpflerr)gushed:
|I enjoyed reading your B&BNTB (brilliant and "brief" note to Ms.Brigitta).

No doubt you would enjoy the low art of narrative.

|It reminded me a little bit of  " utazas a koponyam korul.."

A "little bit" at best, perhaps 3mm around Goober's head.

|I must say that Mr.Wally lost his cool

Of course I lost my cool. No need to state the obvious. I was enraged. I
never claimed to be cool. I never claimed to be anything other than a
creative wordsmith. Whether I am cool or not, does not diminish my
creativity. It may diminish the regard in which >I< am held, if at all. It
reflects on my overall character, personality, etc. I'm not always level-
headed. I'm not always right. I'm a fool, as I have stated before. I am a
buffoon. I am all sorts of things. I have not tried to restrict the range
of my behaviour or emotions except for the prudence of avoiding the
breaking of the law because of its unfortuitous consequences. I take a leaf
from the book by British psychologist, R.D.Laing: "I have an agreement with
my mind; it can think whatever it wants." I can think/write beautiful
lyrical poetry (as in the They Love You Because poem I had posted) and
crude blunt banal prose, whatever suits me and I deem appropriate for the
circumstance.

|(Anna found his Achiles heel)

As I found her Achilles' heel.

|and his crude comments...

And they most certainly were.

|...were totally uncalled for...

I guess you missed Ms Bali's description of Gabor Barsai's posts which she
described as more "stale than a second gland condom." That was far more
viscerally crude than the mere word CUNT. There was nothing witty about
CUNT on my part, however, Ms Bali's image of a floppy distended latex
prophylactic with a browning pearl cream at the bottom, and perhaps crusted
sperm on the rim reeking with the stink of biological detritus, is an image
that is crudely vomitous. Now that is a powerful, crude, effective image
that aptly described Gabor's "brilliant" posts. 

|and not fitting a published "wordsmith".

As if you would know what is fitting or not in this regard. I borrow the
words of Ms Tristan Tzara when she wrote: "We reserve the right to piss in
different colours." Now that is a rainbow coalition. That is a beautiful
image, an original image. It is creative, something lacking from Gabor's
low art narrative. A crude word, for the sole and exclusive purpose of
being a crude word, has a place in literary production, including poetry.
Here is an example in my piece ANGELS which had been published a few years
back somewhere (I'm too lazy to be bothered to give you the publication
that printed it right now):

******************

A little rain is dew fallen from angel's wings when they wake.

When you see an angel you are witness to a miracle. I would like to see an
angel. Would you forgive me if I fell in love with an angel? I would fall
in love at first sight I know.

There is only one way to earn wings. (Prayers are such small currency when
wings are so expensive.) Your face must be glowing before you can have
wings. I am sure of that because the saints had glowing faces.

Oh! I would fall in love with an angel the moment I saw one. I would die to
be an angel.

You have to do that you know; die. Death comes before angels. You cannot
commit suicide. Suicide disqualifies you. My father was disqualified.

After Death leaves, you are eligible for wings. Angels know if you are
eligible or not.

(God knows too but He leaves the matter of wings to His subordinates. God
is Power; angels are beauty. I am not a lover of power. Forgive me if I
fall in love with an angel.

Death is something you purchase at a sale and the goods are non-returnable
and satisfaction is always guaranteed. I hope there is little pain in
growing wings.

I want to be an angel some day. If I eat the right foods, recite the proper
prayers, and fuck only virgins, will I be an angel? Forgive me, I have
fallen in love.

******************

|He owes Anna a public expression of regret!

For what? She thought my use of the word CUNT was funny. She was LOLOLOLOL.
I should regret making her laugh? What kind of old fashioned chauvinism are
you trying to pass off here? Gabor quickly comes to soothe and "apologize"
to the tender little victim-chick, and now you snuggle up with the same
chauvinist posturing of protecting the weaker sex's sensibilities. Anna
Smith has amply demonstrated that she can perfectly good care of herself
without you shining knights on armour. She used the vulgar word "shit" in
her post. I don't have a problem with four-letter words, do you? Indeed, Ms
Annal Smith sent a private email to Ms Bali in which she accused Ms Bali of
not having "balls". How interesting! One woman accusing another woman of
not having "balls" (Gabor: this is pre-med student talk for testicals, a
fecund part of male genitalia) That's like one black lawyer calling another
black lawyer a racist. Ludicrous. The term was used in reference to
courage, that Annal Smith accused Brigitta Bali of lacking courage. It is
an interesting comment because it suggests that courage is a characteristic
exclusively of males, that it resides in the soup of testosterone. We don't
say, "Ms Bali doesn't have the ovaries to do it." Instead we say, "She is a
dumb cunt." 

|(Regardless of how many important people have laid down spread eagle with
|their heads up to have their picture taken for a colage by Wally...).

Important people exempt me from nothing. That was not the purpose of citing
them. They were cited to prove creativity on my part concerning my
wordscrapers, among other things. They do not waste their more highly
developed creative time on the banal likes of Gabor, Anna or Gayorgy, or
you for that matter. They are cited as proof of the obvious in spite of
Gabor's blind spot to recognize such. Gabor can cite nothing other than his
own statements, which are, objectively speaking, largely banal.

|><<>>Regi idok szep emleke kepen, baranyfelhok usztak at az egen....<<>>
|><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

Eskuszom hogy a koltoit
a tiszta koltoit
es csakis a koltoit mondom
Poetofi engem ugy segeljen!

Now, if we could only squeeze one creative original line from your head.

-- 
Wally Keeler					Poetry
Creative Intelligence Agency			is
Peoples Republic of Poetry			Poetency

Subject: Re: SCM: Re: Wordscrapers & Stuff

Enike > aka Ms Annal Smith wrote:
|Since this post had your name on it I read it---

That's small of you.

|Is she really still bothering to talk?

Why should she stop? Do you give some edict or other? Give us a reason.

|I noticed something from her written directly to me in my inbox 

Because she noticed something from you in her inbox that you initiated.

|but, as I told her, I don't read what she writes

I don't think she cares whether you read it or not.

|but she's obviously too stupid to read for comprehention.
                                                     /duh!
She just doesn't care to read you with any comprehension.

|Oh well.  Big surprise.  Can we say "killfile"?  Guess not...

A killfile is YOUR responsibility to set up. It is not Ms Bali's
responsibility to stay out of your inbox. You initiated the inbox
dialogue/monologue, as I was told, so take care of your own inbox. I'm sure
there are people on SCM who will give you a hand on setting up your
killfiles if you don't know how it is done. It's not a big deal. It's a
sort of a little cyber iron curtain that you can lower to keep out
unpleasantries.

-- 
Wally Keeler					Poetry
Creative Intelligence Agency			is
Peoples Republic of Poetry			Poetency

Brigitta Bali wrote:
>Anna has demonstrated that she shares the same attitude as Goober. Wally

Gabor Barsai replied:
|Quite frankly, I like Anna's posts. I don't like yours.

The following is what Gabor Barsai dislikes:

From:  (Brigitta Bali): Tue, 9 Apr 1996
Subject: My Poem, was Re: Gabor Barsai, the Don Juan of SCM
Message-ID: >

Here's a poem I wrote which was recently published in "ORTUZ:
Eszak-Amerikai Magyar Irok Negyedevenkent Megjeleno Irodalmi
Folyoirata," 1996--2.evf.1.szam.

SZERELMESVERS

Nem Tudom Miert Beszelek neked csillagokrol
es madarakrol
es illatokrol
es hogy a tenger messze van.

Nem tudom miert itatlak szomjusaggal
etetlek inseggel
vacogassal
miert kerem azt hogy elsirass.

Felos szavaim foldbe bujnak
ezust agaik egbe nyulnak
de viragba nem borulnak
hallgatok.

Nap-almu nyarak es hohaju telek
a reggelek
amikkel kelek --
rad hasonlit a vilag.

Szeretlek - s beszelek csillagokrol
szeretlek - s beszelek madarakrol
szeretlek - s beszelek illatokrol
szeretlek.

Meleg Szavam mint ver szivarog
adom mig lassan a szivarvanyok
es fehereneku siralyok
kolcsonvett fenyem elviszik.

********

The following represents Barsai's high altitude attitude towards love
poetry: Barsai's Rakosi Rapier

love
poetry
lov\\^                              SZARNOKsag   -- -  -
poe((* zsarol=zsarol=zsarol=zsarol=<ZSARNOKI
lov//                               SARNOKI
poetry                              ASROKI   ------- - - -  -
love                                RASKOI
poetry                              RAKSOI
love                         RAKOSI RAKOSI RAKOSI RAKOSI   === = =  =  =
poetry                              RAKSOI
love                                RASKOI
poetry                              ASROKI
lov\\                               SARNOKI    ---- - -  -  -
poe((* zsarol=zsarol=zsarol=zsarol=<ZSARNOKI
lov//                               SZARNOKsag   -- -  -  -
poetry
love


-- 
Wally Keeler					Poetry
Creative Intelligence Agency			is
Peoples Republic of Poetry			Poetency

 (George Szaszvari) writes:

>Were there not good periods in the history of Transylvania when it 
>flourished under it's own tutelage rather anyone else's? Is there,
>perhaps, a real case for Transylvanian autonomy? I'd just like to
>read some considered, non-partizan opinions on this thought.

A real case for Transylvanian autonomy could be made only by the majority
of the Transylvanians.  As far as I can tell, this majority prefers the
status quo, probably because those people consider that they're first
Romanian and then Transylvanian.  The situation is the same in the other
two Romanian provinces: Moldova and Wallachia, which united only 59 years
before 1918.

Believe it or not, there is a strong cohesion within the Romanian people,
so all the dreams about Transylvanian autonomy are doomed to remain dreams
in the minds of the few who can't accept the current realities.

Dan
-- 
Dan Pop
CERN, CN Division
Email:  
Mail:  CERN - PPE, Bat. 31 R-004, CH-1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland

Gabor Barsai narrates:
|Subject: Mind Control: 47 Years
|Dear Citizens:
|     I am a victim of mind control.  I have been mind

Reminds me of one of Brigitta Bali's poems which I had translated a few
years back. The translation was subsequently published 1991 in Rampike 
vol.7/#2 ISSN 0711-7646:

LOOPHOLE
^^^^^^^^

-The mineral springs are dry. The gold mines are exhausted;
the roof-ribs collapse one after the other.
What was once enriching, is now impoverished.

-Our open grave is a wound in the Earth --
to be buried is to be covered
by a scab of soil.

-For the prisoner the day breaks out earlier
or the prisoner merely observes it earlier.
The prisoner can guess nothing about the times -

-The border is a barbed-wire rosary;
each bead is a surveillance station along the way.
There is no escape from the guard dogs -

-What the detective detects can detect him.
This reflection of detection is symmetrical;
surveillance is subversion --
to counter surveillance, counter-subvert -

-A white ambulance in a snowfall.
Trains are coming from far, their roofs are crusted by snow.
Somewhwere it had been snowing; perhaps it also snows just now.
You can be rescued -

-- 
Wally Keeler					Poetry
Creative Intelligence Agency			is
Peoples Republic of Poetry			Poetency

Goober Barfsai delicately replies:
|Ah, yes. I remember reading Wally using a vulgar word (referring to the
|female genitalia)...

Oh yes, CUNT! You are afraid to say the word? CUNT! It exists. It is
vulgar. You are a monk? You belong to the Order of Brothers of Perpetual
Banality?

|...to put down Mrs. Smith.

It didn't work though. It was a complete and total failure. She thought it
was funny. LOLOLOLOL

|Unlike him, I never used that word when referring to females.

Oh my, aren't you the noble octopus, the genteeeel come-on fartist! Note
that Ms Smith didn't shrink from using the four letter word "shit" in her
post. BTW, shit is a vulgar word referring to the post-nutritive disposal
substance of humans, aka, feces, turds, stools, crap, etc. Note also that I
didn't use it for females generically; I used it for Ms Smith specifically.

|I don't see why ya didn't flame him, if you think "chick" is an icky word,
|what about Wally's comments about Mrs. Smith? If you have trouble relating
|to a cute, fluffy, yellow bird, well...

She flamed you because of you! You provided the necessary flammable
material. It was a funflamefest, as she put it. Didn't you enjoy playing
the part of the male bimbo? Jeez, get that operation soon will you.

>Anna has demonstrated that she shares the same attitude as Goober. Wally

|Quite frankly, I like Anna's posts. I don't like yours.

I've been trying to tell you that about your posts for the past couple
weeks, but I guess that transmitter in your noggin has knocked out your
neural receptors. 

>>You scolded Anna: "Remedial Reading, you need" - yet you post I dreamt of
>>being a "sopranno". I wonder where you read that? Is that part of your
>>creativity?
>
>Get real Goober. He never read it anywhere. We were all having a
>funflamefest, you included. In any event, Goober, you did attempt some
>creativity, and lo and behold, there was a brief appearance of it.

|Oh. OK.

Another, in a long series, brief inappearance of it!

|I also prefer Popocatepetl to Mt. Logan. (Since vous etes so
|creative, I'll give vous time to find out what Popocatepetl means in the
|Nahuatl language. If you can't find it, let moi know.)

You presume an interest which is not there. I prefer creative writing with
poetic substance, not bland narrative.

-- 
Wally Keeler					Poetry
Creative Intelligence Agency			is
Peoples Republic of Poetry			Poetency

Subject: Re: Wordscrapers & Stuff
Mpflerr > wrote:
><<>>Regi idok szep emleke kepen, baranyfelhok usztak at az egen....<<>>
><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

Goober Barsai exclaimed:
|Wow, now that's poetry!

Sure is. Vive le Poetofi!

Goober Barsai droops:
|How does the song go?
|"Marina, Marina, Marina,
|??? "
|Isn't it Italian, or whatnot?

It's what is not.

-- 
Wally Keeler					Poetry
Creative Intelligence Agency			is
Peoples Republic of Poetry			Poetency

Subject: Re: Wordscrapers & Stuff
 (Mpflerr)wrote:
|... his crude comments were totally uncalled for and not fitting a published
|"wordsmith". He owes Anna a public expression of regret!

       |------------------------------------------------------|
       |o > >                   o|
       |o > Enike >Anna Smith wrote:  o|
       |o > |So now I get dragged into this shit?            o|

SHIT! CUNT!
Both have four letters
Both are vulgar
Both are crude

One comes from a poet: poets are notoriously uncensorable.
One comes from a pre-med student: doctors properly use feces, stool, etc.

SZAR...

I feel another wordscraper coming...

SZARSKRAPER
===========
Constructed in the City Dedicated to the Dictatorial Death of Democracy.
Located in the Magyar ghetto.

          ,                 
         CAR                  +----------------------------------+
        CZAR                  |     CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS       |
        SZAR                  |                                  |
       SZZAR                  | CAR: ancient Hungarian form      |
       SZAZAR                 | for CZAR a.k.a. TSAR.            |
      SZARSZAR                |                                  |
      SZARNSZAR               | CZAR a.k.a. TSAR: name given     |
     SZARNOSZAR               | to the rulers of Russia prior    |
     SZARNOOSZAR              | to the establishment of the      |
     SZARNoroszAR             | communist dictatorshit and the   |
    SZARNOKROSZAR             | Union of Soviet Socialist        |
   SZARNOKEROSZAR             | Repression.                      |
   SZARNOK EROSZAR            |                                  |
   SZARNOK EROSZAR            | SZAR: shit, eg. dictatorshit,    |
   SZARNOK EROSZAR            | leadershit; crap eg. bureaucrap; |
   SZARNOK EROSZAR            | guvno, eg. guvnoment; post-      |
   SZARNOK EROSZAR            | nutritive disposal substance.    |
   SZARNOK EROSZAR            |                                  |
   SZARNOK EROSZAR            | ZSARNOK: dictator, the ruler of  |
   SZARNOK EROSZAR            | a nation state who mistrusts     |
   SZARNOK EROSZAK            | the people -- and rightly so.    |
   SZARNOK EROSZAK            |                                  |
   ZSARNOK EROSZAK            | RAKOSI: Name of Hungarian        |
   SZARNOK EROSZSK            | dictator, circa. 1956.           |
   ZSARNOK EROSOSK            |                                  |
   SZARNOK RAKOSI             | EROSZAK: violence, the primary   |
   ZSARNOK ERAKOSI            | method by which a dictator       |
   ZSARNOK ERZAKOSI           | informs the nation of the degree |
   SZARNOK ERSZAKOSI          | of mistrust in which he holds    |
   ZSARNOK EROSZAKKO          | them.                            |
   ZSARNOK EROSZAKNKO         +----------------------------------+
   ZSARNOK EROSZARNOK           
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^       
                     

-- 
Wally Keeler					Poetry
Creative Intelligence Agency			is
Peoples Republic of Poetry			Poetency

Brigitta Bali wrote:
>Anna has demonstrated that she shares the same attitude as Goober. Wally

Goober Barfsai wrote:
|Quite frankly, I like Anna's posts. I don't like yours.

Goober, my dear little Banality Baby, you are bitter that your "true love"
as you put it, scorns your posts as being as "stale as a second gland
condom." (What a viscerally great simile!) "LOLOLOLOL" to quote your chick,
Annal Smith. 

Of course you'd like Annal's posts -- she's a pushover for you and her
posts offer neither challenge of wit nor creativity. Her posts are as funny
as an untreated yeast infection. We are still waiting for her to coin an
origanal phrase, word, anything. We are waiting for the same from you for
that matter.

Here chick, chick, chick, and she's eating out of your chauvinist hand.
What's not to love, eh? Sorry you couldn't scale the height that Brigitta
set.

"ZZZZZZZZZZ" quote Annal Smith
"snorgasm" quote Brigitta Bali

They are both trying to say the same thing.
One says it in a boring, banal and bland way.
The other says it with inventive wit.
It's there to be scene.
Brigitta Bali has the w/rite stuff.
Annal Smith has, well. . .

We can all see why you prefer Ms Smith's postings. 

-- 
Wally Keeler					Poetry
Creative Intelligence Agency			is
Peoples Republic of Poetry			Poetency