James Garner wrote:
> 
>
>         Jesus was not the Messiah, and was not the "Son of God". He was
> the bastard son of an adulterous woman, who offended the Romans with his
> mutterings and in the end could not even save himself, let alone the
> Jewish people, and was nailed on a piece of wood for his efforts. And the
> only thing that rises is dough, not your "God-on-a-stick."
> 

Ever heard of "Jews For Jesus?"  Contact them before it's too late!  

"EVERY knee shall bow and EVERY tongue confess that JESUS CHRIST IS LORD to the
 
glory of God the Father."  - Philippians 2:10-11

Bow now, or bow later.  The choice is yours.  Hope you change your mind!

What's this NAZI bullshit?

Wally Keeler > wrote:
>
>When I was young in the spring I wrote this:
>
>They love you because
>you are Sister of the Sun
>You are one their eyes
>cannot look upon
>though they risk in vain
>desperate and quick attempts
>...

You really wrote that, Wally?  So different from what I've seen from you
so far.  I love it!

Joe

What a team!

I hear wedding bells!!!

csource ) wrote:

: Ever heard of "Jews For Jesus?"  Contact them before it's too late!  

	Are they racists believing that after conversion from judaism to 
	christianity the jewish character of the person remain in the genes?

	Rodericus.

James Garner wrote:
> 
> ussian,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.jewish
> References: > 
ol.com> >
> Distribution:
> 
> Dan K. ) wrote:
> : To All:
> 
> :I wish all a truly happy Easter on the remembrance day of the Lord's
> :Resurrection.  It is unbelievable but true that Jesus of Nazareth was
> :truly the Son of God and the long awaited Messiah of the Prophets of
> :Israel.
> 
>         Since you posted this on the Jewish newsgroup, where it most
> assuredly does not belong, I am compelled to offer a minor correction.
> 
>         Jesus was not the Messiah, and was not the "Son of God". He was
> the bastard son of an adulterous woman, who offended the Romans with his
> mutterings and in the end could not even save himself, let alone the
> Jewish people, and was nailed on a piece of wood for his efforts. And the
> only thing that rises is dough, not your "God-on-a-stick."
> 
>         I am pleased to have the opportunity to correct your
> misimpressions. In the future, if you and your ilk wish to avoid having
> your favorite boy Jesus correctly identified, you may wish to avoid
> posting such crap on a Jewish newsgroup.
> 
>         Have a *really* nice day.


Yes, The Messiah has risen, wether some "good" people agree with it or 
not. They are so affraid to read the prophets that they ( the "good" 
people) might be proven wrong. How about Isaiah chapter 53, my venomous 
"Hollocaust" victim?

RODERICVS READI wrote:

> csource ) wrote:

> : Ever heard of "Jews For Jesus?"  Contact them before it's too late!

>         Are they racists believing that after conversion from judaism to
>         christianity the jewish character of the person remain in the genes?
>         Rodericus.

Rodericvs,

Actually, since I am a little familiar with them, I can assure you that they ar
e 
not rasict.  Rather they believe that Jesus, (Yeshua), (Isus in Ukrainian), was
 
indeed the Messiah just as the first Christians were in fact Jewish.  
But as I am sure you know, when a person receives Christ he or she is indeed
a new creation spiritually, however, our soul and flesh remain and we can 
continue to enjoy the culture of our first birth even though the second
birth is of far more importance and is our door to eternal life.

Regards, Dan K.

In Polish

Ja kocham Cie!

Ezt irta  (GeorgeD1888):

>Ez a Katona nem egy "lelki pasztor", ez a pali rosszabb az ordognel! Ez e
>pasas egy antiszemita szemet!
>Ez hivja magat "lelki pasztor"-nak? Egy gyulolkodo idiota?

Felszolitom   (GeorgeD1888)-t, hogy nyilvanosan
orvosolja minosithetetlen keresztenyellenes gyalazkodasat.

Nagytiszteletu Katona Jeno lelkipasztor, Erdely szulotte, aki elete javat
ott elte le, tamogatast, de legalabb tiszteletet erdemel azert, hogy
nemzettarsainak kijaro teruletrendezesert szot emel. Katona Jeno
szemtanuja volt annak, hogyan uzte el, adta el a romansag a kisebbsegeket.
A magyarok egyelore buszkek arra, hogy nem ezt tettek Magyarorszagon
- Katona Jeno is dicseretet erdemel, nem pedig gyalazkodast.

Temlomgyalazok, lelkeszeket minosithetetlenul tamadok szegyelljek magukat.

: RODERICVS READI wrote:

: >  Are they racists believing that after conversion from judaism to
: >  christianity the jewish character of the person remain in the genes?

Dan K. ) wrote:

Actually, since I am a little familiar with them, I can assure you that they 
are not rasict. 

	If they are christian zionists, as many groups that I know in
	germany (not belonging to the traditional christianity, but to
	the west european reformed sects), as the so called "christian embassy"
 	in jerusalem, then yes, they are racists and supporters of piratery. 
	And the reason to suspect that they are christian zionists, is that 
	from what you write is obvious that judaism for them is not a religion,
	but an ethnic group.

Rather they believe that Jesus, (Yeshua), (Isus in Ukrainian),
was indeed the Messiah just as the first Christians were in fact Jewish.  

	The first christians were palestinians, not european (ashkenazi,
	german) jews, although many of them might have the jewish religion 
	before. Their language was aramaic and their descendants speak today 
	an arabic dialect highly influenced by aramaic, namely the dialect
	of the whole region of syria and palestine, the language was used until
	about 200 years ago in the christian rites (later substituted by 
	arabic) and is alive in some syrian (christian and muslim) towns until 
	today. Their language wasn't daitsch (jiddisch) nor ivrit (a language 
	created in the laboratory with the rests of the hebrew of the jewish 
	rites). Many of them converted to islam later (they were at the muslim
	side during the cruzades, first after the desception of the cruzades 
	became the mayority of palestinians muslim). The last cruzade, the one
	of the european jewish franks of this century is errasing forever the 
	2000 years old christian prescence in the holy land, the holy sites of 
	christendom are becoming museums in the hands of the plunderers with 
	the western support, because for the west "the christians" are the 
	western christians, and "the jews" are the western jews, that is just
	their tribal thinking.	
	
	Christian zionists on the other side are the most repugnant egoists
	I know, they need "the jews" for practizing their religion, whose
	purpose isn't the worship of God, but a spiritual self satisfaction
	(masturbation). The "jewish people" and the "conversion of the jews 
	at the end of the times" is understood wordly by them, "the jews" are 
	for them the most near ones to them, namely, the europeans believing 
	on the jewish religion, and "the christians" are of course only 
	themselves, the people of the "christian embassy" continuosly deny 
	the existence of native christians in the holy land. They believe that 
	all "the jews" must go to what they call israel (our profanated 
	palestine) for being converted to their "christianism".

	I know, the most of you (western people) will not believe on what I 
	wrote, as also not on scholar work about palestine, you will only 
	believe zionist propaganda and religious mythes, and later cinicaly 
	call arabs "religious fundamentalists".

	Al-Massih qaam,
	Rodericus.

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04/09/96 COFFEEHOUSE -- The AAYH of New Brunswick in cooperation
with the Magyar Oregdiak Szovetseg - Bessenyei Gyorgy Kor presents
"Revolution and Literature 1956 - 1996" with guest speaker George Gomori.

George Gomori, participant of the Hungarian Revolution of 1956, 
presently professor of Hungarian and Polish Literature at the 
University of Cambridge has recently published "My Manifold City", 
a collection of his Hungarian peotry in English translation.

7:30 p.m. Thursday, April 11, 1996
Hungarian Scout Home
66 Plum St. New Brunswick, NJ
Admission $5 adults, $3 students

For more information contact:
Csilla Kun-Szabo at 212-533-3981 or 

In article >,
    () wrote:
[...]
>Ez is egy afele "code word", amit csak a beavatottak ertenek.  Te nem
>vagy az.
[...]
>P.J.

Az az erdekes P.J.-ben, hogy mindenkit lehulyez es kozben nem ir SEMMIT.
Egyszer mar kivancsi lennek a sajat velemenyere, ha van.
(Kacsingatasbol, celozgatasbol, teljesen vak talalgatasbol volt eleg.)
Persze az is lehet, megbannam.
("afele" 2f !)

SzP.


Szaszvari Peter
(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)

Gabor Barsai > wrote:
>
>Joe, you sound like you were never young in the spring time. What else would I
 
>think about? Tell me you never think about it when you're crossing a park full
 
>of women in bikinis.

The problem is that you could hardly talk about anything else since you
showed up on SCM, Spring or no Spring.  Real men don't talk about it;
they just do it. ;-)

Joe

Gabor Elek  > wrote:

> A lenyegrol feledkezik el mindenki. Stolmar az USA-bol koltozott
> haza Magyarorszagra, es most szemlatomast vissza. Ott Keri Edit fonenivel
> egyutt a modfelett rangos Magyar Piacpart egyik vezetoje volt, mely part
> egyenesen zacseki magaslatokba emelkedett. Jujj, a hideg ver ki, Zacsek
> a re'm, Editke a re'm, Vikike a re'm ;-((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
>
> Ide kivankozik egy dokumentum,
> ami nyilvan aljas hamisitvany, de a magamfajta liberalis dogkeselyu lecsap
> az ilyesmire. :-)))))

Valoban jol jellemezted magad itt, Elek!  Nyugodtan megirhattad volna mar
azt is, hogy en voltam a level cimzettje, hiszen az "elozetesedben" mar
elhencegtel azzal is.  Az igazi lenyeg, amirol mindenki elfelejtkezik
itt, hogy Elek es tarsai szamitogepbetoresekkel ("Cracking")
szorakoznak, mert egy ilyen privat levelrol maskepp nem lehetett
tudomasa.  Annyi eszem azert nekem is van, hogy tudom nem Elek
szemelyesen csinalja ezt, hanem olyan elftarsai, akik Internet ugyben
egy kicsit jobban specializalodtak.  Nagy hirtelen el is tudok kepzelni
egy valakit, de inkabb megvarom amig a nyuszi magatol ugrik ki a
bokorbol.

Egyebkent tudomasom szerint ez nem lenne az elso eset, hogy prominens
jobboldali Internetezok szamitogepeibe botortek, ill. erre kiserletek
tortentek.  Ahhoz sem kell nagy fantazia, hogy kitalaljuk kiknek az
reszerol tortent ez.  Igazi bolsi titkosszolgalati elhallgattatasi
modszerek ezek, amiket elkovetni itt Amerikaban az ilyesmi elleni 
torvenyek megszuletese ota eleg nagy ostobasagra vall, plane ha meg
valaki, mint Elek, kiall hencegni is vele.  Az uj "computer crime"
torvenyekkel ugyanis mar tobb elmarasztalo itelet szuletett.  Az egyik
legutobbiban a felperes epp az en munkaltatom volt.

Szoval lassan a testtel, fiuk!  Foleg ha meg allampolgarok sem vagytok
itt.

Pannon J.

In article >,  > wrote:
>The problem is that you could hardly talk about anything else since you
>showed up on SCM, Spring or no Spring.  Real men don't talk about it;
>they just do it. ;-)

I dunno...is this some liberal-bolshevik-hungarian-cosmopolite (whatever the 
hell that means) tactic? Methinks I wrote 'bout diff'rent stuff, too.
But you're right, I guess I got carried away by the heat of the moment 
(especially with Brigi...my true love).

Gabor

Je recherche une personne sachant parler le francais et le Hongrois
pour me permettre de mieux connaitre ce pays.

Pascal

 (Gabor Barsai)barfs:
:In article >,
:Brigitta Bali > moans from lust :
:>In article >
: (Gabor Barsai) lies:
:>:In article >,
:>:Brigitta Bali > lusts:
:>: (Gabor Barsai) flirts:
:>:>> OOOOOOOOOhhhhhhhhhh, you're sick. I like that in a woman.
:>:>
:>:><yawn> You're witless and unoriginal.<yawn> I hate that in a man.<yawn>
:>:
:>:Such intentional uninterest can only mean one thing: you want me, you
:>:old dog
:>
:>Regardless, you remain witless </yawn> and unoriginal </yawn>. Read Wally
:
:Regardless? So you do want me...

As you can all see. Gabor Barsai is a witless bonehead. Joe and Wally and
myself are right about him -- he is a misogynist dork incapable of the
courage and intelligence to realize that a woman's no is NO. At any rate,
Goober, why not shake it at Anna Smith, she's a self-declared "chick", and
leave us self-respecting women alone

  *********************************************************************
  * In >  *
  * Mon, 1 Apr 1996 Enike > wrote:      *
  * Sure are!                                                         *
  * Anna                                                              *
  *********************************************************************

In  wrote:
:Brigitta:
:Just remember the old saying about the barking dogs. Gabor's
:immature obsession with the same subject can only mean that he seldom
:gets any. Lacking it, our fake "Don Juan" likes to talk about it.
:Joe

Quite right. Most every woman I know has had an encounter from misogynist
pigs like Goober Barfsai. It would be ok to "talk about it" but he lacks
wit, he lacks zest, he lacks passion, he lacks the qualities that makes him
a real man. Goober's personality wouldn't even excite an inflatable woman.

BTW, Wally says you're WELL HUNGary -- no PUNgarian intended. Is that true?

Wally Keeler ) wrote:
: In article >,
: > wrote:
: >Brigitta Bali > wrote:
: >To Barsai:
: >><yawn> You're witless and unoriginal.<yawn> I hate that in a man.<yawn>
: >
: >Brigitta:
: >Just remember the old saying about the barking dogs.  Gabor's
: >immature obsession with the same subject can only mean that he seldom
: >gets any.  Lacking it, our fake "Don Juan" likes to talk about it.
: >Joe

:  (Gabor Barsai) wrote:
: |Joe, you sound like you were never young in the spring time. What else
: |would I think about? Tell me you never think about it when you're
: |crossing a park full of women in bikinis.

: When I was young in the spring I wrote this:

: They love you because
: you are Sister of the Sun
: You are one their eyes
: cannot look upon
: though they risk in vain
: desperate and quick attempts

: They love you because
: you are Daughter of the Day
: They cannot hold you
: though they love within
: your invisible embrace
: They know when you are with them
: because you live
: between dawn and dusk

: They love you because
: you are Angel of the Evening
: They love you though they know
: they cannot possess you
: because your lover is Night
: and he awes all mouths mute
: because he is bearer of confidence
: to the hands of lovers

: They love you because
: they know you will always return
: to open their eyes with bendictions
: you are Madonna of the Morning
: -- 
: Wally Keeler					Poetry
: Creative Intelligence Agency			is
: Peoples Republic of Poetry			Poetency

Wow! OOOOOOooooo! Poetry like that could give a girl a wide-on!

Here's a poem I wrote which was recently published in "ORTUZ:
Eszak-Amerikai Magyar Irok Negyedevenkent Megjeleno Irodalmi
Folyoirata," 1996--2.evf.1.szam.

SZERELMESVERS

Nem Tudom Miert Beszelek neked csillagokrol
es madarakrol
es illatokrol
es hogy a tenger messze van.

Nem tudom miert itatlak szomjusaggal
etetlek inseggel
vacogassal
miert kerem azt hogy elsirass.

Felos szavaim foldbe bujnak
ezust agaik egbe nyulnak
de viragba nem borulnak
hallgatok.

Nap-almu nyarak es hohaju telek
a reggelek
amikkel kelek --
rad hasonlit a vilag.

Szeretlek - s beszelek csillagokrol
szeretlek - s beszelek madarakrol
szeretlek - s beszelek illatokrol
szeretlek.

Meleg Szavam mint ver szivarog
adom mig lassan a szivarvanyok
es fehereneku siralyok
kolcsonvett fenyem elviszik.

Please inform me if there is an Email address for KOSSUTH LAJOS
TUDOMANYEGYETEM. NEPRAJZI TANSZEK.

I would like to get in contact with anyone who can help me obtain the
following --

ETHNOGRAPHICA ET FOLKLORISTICA CARPATHICA. 1992, 7-8:2

MUVELTSEG ES HAGYOMANY. 1992, 25/6

Reply to -- 

Mark Doering

In Polish

Ja kocham Cie!

In article >,  (leslie howard)
 says:
>
>
>What a team!
>
>I hear wedding bells!!!
> ==========================================>

I have the sneeking suspicion that they are one and the same people.
What do you think?

me

I am planning to visit Budapest at the end of June for the Int'l Congress of
UNIMA (marionnettes).  Can anyone steer me toward some decent and reasonable
hotels?  What should I expect to pay?  Any other hints very welcome also.
TIA,
Ian McMahan

michael & marika Grossman ) wrote:
: In > "Dan K." > writes:

: >
: >Despite statements by Yeltsin to the contrary, the Chechen War of 
: >Independence rages on and news reports today declared that 45 Russian
: >State Terrorists have been killed or are missing at the hands of the 
: >Chechen Freedom Fighters.  A Sukhoi jet bomber was also shot down.  
: >
: >The reports, McNeil Lehrer on TV and other radio sources, said that 
: >62% of the Russian people have had enough of state terrorism against
: >the Chechen people and want Yeltsin to stop the war for good.  500,000
: >Chechens have been forced to flee their homes and many villages have
: >been totally flattened by the state terrorists in addition to their 
: >capital Grozny.  It is time for Russia to give the brave Chechen 
: >people what all nations want, the right to life, liberty and the 
: >pursuit of happiness.  Russia must come to terms with the fact that
: >she must let the remaining nations, who are still under her
: domination,
: >go free if she is to ever become a civilized and democratic society.
: >
: >Regards, Dan K.

: Dan, what would you call ethnic Russians and Tatars in Crimea if they
: would decide to, finally, get rid of the yoke of the Ukranian
: occupation of their land? I bet "freedom fighters"!!! 

: Mike Grossman, E. Bridgewater, Mass.

: P.S. To G-n Streltsov: In your posts you have been defending Chechen
: terrorists all along. Following your logic one must consider the Hamas
: bastards "freedom fighters" as well.

    
                  To Mike @ Marika

       Chechens are defending their land from russian invaders.
       Chechnya was a free country until Russians got in around 300 years ago.
       Russians were taking over some other republics as well. So called
       "expension" and "reforms" under the communist regime left millions
       of innocent people dead . Russian power hungry "bear" was destroying
       real democracy in those republics and roots of the original people.
       Patriots were prosecuted,shot or imprisoned. Hands of Russia's
       secret police members were washed in blood of innocent nations.
       If you don't see the difference between terrorists and freedom
       fighters then you deserve to be called "bastard".
       Stop spreading lies and "red propaganda". We know the truth.
                                                             CK
p.s. my employer has nothing to do with my opinion

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04/08/96 NEW BRUNSWICK JUMPSTART -- A Fiatal Magyarok Amerikai 
Egyesulete es a Szechenyi Kor kozos rendezeseben felnapos 
eloadasokkal osszekotott megbeszelest tart "A New Brunswick-i 
Magyar Kozosseg Holnap" cimen. A konferencia celja az, hogy 
nezzunk a jovonk fele, es megvizsgaljuk az eselyeinket,
lehetosegeinket, vagyainkat. New Brunswick polgarmesteri 
hivatala is kepviselteti magat, ez az eloadas angolul lesz, 
minden mas magyarul.

A tervek szerint a konferenciat 7 vagy 8 eloadassal fogjuk 
kezdeni, amiben az egyhazak es nagyobb szervezetek kepviseloi 
eloadjak, hogy hogyan latjak az egyhazuk ill. servezetunk jovojet. 
Az eloadasok utan kerekasztal megbeszelesen a jelenlevok meg 
fogjak vitatni ezt a mindnyajunk szamara fontos temakort.

A konferenciat a Magyar Amerikai Alapitvany Heritage Centerben 
(300 Somerset St., New Brunswick) tartjuk, 1996. majus 11-en 
szombaton, d.u. kb. 1:30 kezdettel. Mindenkit szeretettel varunk.

In article > 
.edu (Jason Silverman) writes:
 an diese Gruppen schreibt er:

 > soc.culture.african.american,soc.culture.austria,soc.culture.baltics,soc.cul
ture.intercultural,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.magyar,soc.cu
lture.polish,soc.culture.romanian,soc.culture.german,soc.culture.ukrainian,soc.
culture.russian,soc.culture.soviet,soc.culture.yugoslavia,soc.culture.jewish

 Es sollte vielleicht unter Paragraph XYZ der Netiquette folgendes stehen:

 Ein Usenet Posting soll an nicht mehr als 3 NewsGruppen gerichtet werden.

In article >,
Brigitta Bali > wrote:
>Quite right. Most every woman I know has had an encounter from misogynist
>pigs like Goober Barfsai. It would be ok to "talk about it" but he lacks
>wit, he lacks zest, he lacks passion, he lacks the qualities that makes him
>a real man. Goober's personality wouldn't even excite an inflatable woman.

Don't bet on it...yesterday at the local BP gas station a chick asked me to
lunch while I was paying for gas. She has nice blue eyes and black hair.
I mean, I can't help my good looks and superior qualities, can I?

You're a feisty one, aren't you! I like that in a woman, too...

Here's a few poems, just for Brigi:

Who is it, that makes me feel oogy,
Only you, my dear, sweet Brigi.

Reggel nem tudok enni, mert Rad gondolok,
Delben nem tudok enni, mert Rad gondolok,
Este nem tudok enni, mert Rad gondolok,
Ejjel nem tudok aludni, mert ehes vagyok.

Hahahahaha!

Oh, I'm just soooooo good!

Gabor

Egyes korokben nagy dicsoseg lehet, hogy be tudtak torni, kb. NEGY EVVEL
EZELOTT, iskolasfiam otthoni szamitogepebe. Ez - (fo a bizalom es a becsulet,
mert osi igazsag: MINDENKI MAGABOL INDUL KI...) - nem volt bonyolult
jelszoval es mas vedelemmel ellatva. Napokig logott a telefonon az Internetbe,
mas "uzenetekre" varva... Igy azutan csak akkor jottunk ra, hogy nem minden
ember letfeltetele es erkolcsi alapnormaja a tisztesseg, amikor (a most vegre
kellokeppen on-dokumentalt) szamitogep-betores megtortent, s ennek a betoresnek
a nyomait is otthagyta a betoro - most mar tudjuk: ELEK GABOR, akarattal vagy
ugyetlensegeben. Mindenesetre "jo helyre" ment el akkor az errol szolo jelentes
,
s a mostani "on-leleplezes" igen megkonnyiti dolgukat!

Ezen tul, Husvet tajan (IS) azonban az ember elgondolkodik a budafoki es
szatymazi templombetoresek kapcsan: vajon kik azok, akik kutakodnak,
betornek, masokat haborgatnak, agressziven - es sok-sok hazugsaggal -
mocskolodnak, de elsosorban is (elferdult identitastudatuk
"kiegyensulyozasara", idonkent elleplezesere) gyulolkodnek es ragalmaznak?
Mondjuk, ha egy zsido identitastudatu "ur" egy kereszteny not vesz
felesegul... Mit tesz ilyenkor...? Hova tartozik, hova all ilyen esetben?...
Kikkel vallal kozosseget - hitbelit es tarsadalmit - es kik ellen fordul?
Tan ezert kereszteny templomokat gyalaznak meg, csak ugy "heccbol" - es
szamitogepekbe tornek be, nem csak "heccbol"?  Lehet, hogy felelembol??
Lehet, hogy politikai meggyozodesbol? Lehet, hogy vallasibol? Lehet, hogy
magyarellenessegukbol?? - Hmmm. Vajon mindez a goncztorveny buntetese
ala eso kategoria? Borton, 5 ev? 8 ev?... Vagy DICSOSEG? Tan mivel sajat
"massaguk" elismertetese nem megy siman (sem buzi voltuk, sem felsobbrendu
faji kulonallasuk tekinteteben), orizetlen templomokba es iskolasfiuk
szamitogepebe valo "vagany" betoressel kompenzaljak eredendo kisebbsegi
erzesuket?

Barmilyen okbol legyen, az ilyesmi TENNYEL azonban nem okos dolog eppen
a Usenet-en eldicsekedni! Igy ugyanis vilagmeretu tanusereget szolgaltatott
szamomra Elek Gabor; BETORESET, TOLVAJ, BUNOZO VOLTAT
bizonyitando! (Mindeddig ugyanis mi sem tudtuk, KI volt a tettes, akkor meg
azok sem tudtak, akiknek  jelentettuk az esetet...)

Ezert ugyanezen - Usenet - nyilvanossag elott, ahol Elek Gabor leleplezte
onmagat, kozlom Elek Gaborral, hogy - az Amerikaban mar reg fennallo
torvenyek alapjan, ugyvedunkon keresztul ferjemmel buntetofeljelentest
tettunk ellene, INVASION OF PRIVACY miatt, szemelyisegi jogaim megsertese
miatt kovetelt karterites osszegenek megjelolesevel. Mint ekozben megtudtuk,
errefele - mivel itt demokracia van es a szemelyisegi jogok vedelme mukodik
- meg
egy kozonseges fenykep lekozlesehez is az azon szereplo szemely beleegyezese
szukseges, a kozles elott. Igy negy evvel ezelotti MAGANLEVELEM INTERNETEN
tortent nyilvanossagra hozatala meglehetosen tekintelyes karteritesi osszeg
megiteleset teszi lehetove. Eezzel a lehetosggel elni kivantunk, a kovetelheto
legmagasabb osszeget megjelolve.

Ugyvedunkkel tortent megbeszelesunk utan azonban - neki tett igeretemhez
hiven - itt es most felajanlom UGYANEZEN NYILVANOSSAG ELOTT a torveny
megszabta MAGANALKU lehetoseget. Amennyiben Elek Gabor fenti e-mail cimemen
"felkeres" es onkent es nyilvanosan felajanl egy karteritest  "PEREN
KIVULI MEGALLAPODOTT OSSZEG" tekinteteben, ugy azt

azonnal FELAJANLOM A "MAGYAR A MAGYARERT" hazai nagycsaladosokat
segito mozgalom tamogatasara.

Amennyiben Elek Gabor ezt nem teszi meg, a tartozkodasi helyenek
"felkutatasara" felszamolt - ugyvedi es minden jarulekos - koltsegek
megfizeteset is
koveteli tole jogi kepviselonk.

Elek Gabor nyilvanos maganajanlatat 1996. aprilis 12-eig varjuk az
  cimen.

Stolmar G. Ilona


P.S. Oh, pardon, majdnem elfelejtettem! Amennyiben Elek Gabor NEM amerikai
allampolgar, es ugy szamitja a dolgokat, hogy tanulmanyai befejeztevel
("vendegjoga lejartaval") hamarosan "haza"-utazik Magyarorszagra, ez az
eljovendo per kimenetelere semmifele hatassal nincs, legfeljebb meg
koltsegesebbe
teszi ezt szamara.  A BUNCSELEKMENY (ez az itteni jogi megitelese a
maganhasznalatu szamitogepekbe valo BETORESNEK, ez nem "szabalysertes"
vagy egyeb "lazasag") - elkovetesenek TENYERE semmifele mento hatassal nincs
barmifele menekules a tetthelyrol.Sot.  A kovetelt karterites osszegere
semmikeppen. Az USA-nak es Magyarorszagnak VAN jogi- es igazsagszolgaltatasi
- sot meg kiadatasi - egyezmenye is.

P.P.S. Ha netan meg elkepeszto hazugsagara vonatkozo cafolatok is erdekesek
volnanak, kozlom az olvasokkal, hogy a hirhedt, es altalam alakulasa
pillanatatol
ellenzett "piacpartnak"  nem csak hogy VEZETOJE NEM VOLTAM, de meg
TAGJA SEM VOLTAM SOHA.. Azt vallottam ugyanis mindig, es azt
vallom ma is, hogy egy ujsagiro (iro), foleg foszerkeszto!!!, ne kotelezze
el magat parttagsaggal sehova, mert akkor egy eletre oda a tagyilagossaga!
(Mi ezt ugy fogalmazzuk: "belso hite", "meggyozodese" kotelez minden
szemelyt a legszentebb modon, de ugy gondolom, ez az "On" szamara ismeretlen
fogalmazas). Elek bizonyara a Piacpartnak arrol az afferjarol beszel,
amikor akaratom
es beleegyezesem nelkul, jeloltlistajara tett engem a nevezett "part". A
nagyvilagba
kiuzott magyarok es onkent joletbe vagyott magyar nyelvuek koreben azonban
jo lenne "CSAK AZ IGAZAT, CSAKIS AZ IGAZAT" vallani es terjeszteni!
(Ha netan Elek is a kirekeszto-kikeresztelkedett es goncz-koveto
"waldensse" valt,
akkor elnezest, akkor az elobb idezett ESKU neki - eskutagado "vallasa"
szerint - semmis.)

In article >,  wrote:
>Egyes korokben nagy dicsoseg lehet, hogy be tudtak torni, kb. NEGY EVVEL
>EZELOTT, iskolasfiam otthoni szamitogepebe. Ez - (fo a bizalom es a becsulet,
>mert osi igazsag: MINDENKI MAGABOL INDUL KI...) - nem volt bonyolult
>jelszoval es mas vedelemmel ellatva. Napokig logott a telefonon az 
>Internetbe,
[...]
Tisztan szakmai erdeklodes: Hogyan kell betorni egy telefonon internetbe logo 
haziszamitogepbe? Ha bizalmas, a mailcimemre kernem a valaszt, megigerem nem 
adom tovabb.

Eddigi csekely tapasztalatom alapjan ehhez az "iskolasfiunak" eloszor 
bonyolult szerver-installacion kellett atesnie, minek soran igen nehez 
elkerulni mindenfele vedelem uzembeallitasat.

Vagy csak egy nyilvanos ragalmazas lenne ez?


Szaszvari Peter
(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)

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i want to no everting about the name greguss or persons with that
name.
greetings from holland

Ms. Stolmar,

It is a crime to break in to someones computer and it is punishable under
the law in this country and elsewhere. I presume that your charges are 
true and agree with your actions. 

I take offense to your letter never the less. I am sick and tired of
you and others badmouthing hungarian jews. I am proud to be hungarian,
my ancestors were all hungarian and jewish going back hundreds of years. 
They were good citizens, worked hard. Some worked the land, others were 
professionals, government workers etc., and also fought in the first
world war (or as I told you before, were hung by the communist in the 
first commune.) Now, it is time that you and your kind became a good
Christian and learn to love your fellow men. It is hard to be a good
jew, a good christian a good budhist or what ever. The world is too
small now days, you can not go back into the past. Things are not
the same as they used to be.You use the word "mocskos" too many times.
What kind of upbringing and education did you have? I find you very 
narrow minded.
I think we need to work together to make hungary and the WORLD a better
place to livefor all of us. Repent!

Sincerely,
M. Erdos Pflieger

> =======================================================================


In article >,  says:
>
>Egyes korokben nagy dicsoseg lehet, hogy be tudtak torni, kb. NEGY EVVEL
>EZELOTT, iskolasfiam otthoni szamitogepebe. Ez - (fo a bizalom es a becsulet,
>mert osi igazsag: MINDENKI MAGABOL INDUL KI...) - nem volt bonyolult
>jelszoval es mas vedelemmel ellatva. Napokig logott a telefonon az Internetbe,
>mas "uzenetekre" varva... Igy azutan csak akkor jottunk ra, hogy nem minden
>ember letfeltetele es erkolcsi alapnormaja a tisztesseg, amikor (a most vegre
et, hogy felelembol??
>
>megfizeteset is
>koveteli tole jogi kepviselonk.
>
>Elek Gabor nyilvanos maganajanlatat 1996. aprilis 12-eig varjuk az
  cimen.
>
>Stolmar G. Ilona
>
>

Gelu Stefan wrote:

> James Garner wrote:

> > Dan K. ) wrote:
> > : To All:

> > :I wish all a truly happy Easter on the remembrance day of the Lord's
> > :Resurrection.  It is unbelievable but true that Jesus of Nazareth was
> > :truly the Son of God and the long awaited Messiah of the Prophets of
> > :Israel.

> >         Since you posted this on the Jewish newsgroup, where it most
> > assuredly does not belong, I am compelled to offer a minor correction.

> >         Jesus was not the Messiah, and was not the "Son of God". He was
> > the bastard son of an adulterous woman, who offended the Romans with his
> > mutterings and in the end could not even save himself, let alone the
> > Jewish people, and was nailed on a piece of wood for his efforts. And the
> > only thing that rises is dough, not your "God-on-a-stick."

> > I am pleased to have the opportunity to correct your
> > misimpressions. In the future, if you and your ilk wish to avoid having
> > your favorite boy Jesus correctly identified, you may wish to avoid
> > posting such crap on a Jewish newsgroup.
> >
> >         Have a *really* nice day.


> Yes, The Messiah has risen, wether some "good" people agree with it or
> not. They are so affraid to read the prophets that they ( the "good"
> people) might be proven wrong. How about Isaiah chapter 53, my venomous
> "Hollocaust" victim?


Gelu Stefan,

I have heard that many Jewish people, not Messianic Jews of course, are
scared to death to read Isaiah ch. 53 because it so clearly describes
the Messiah's death and the reason for it.  Anyone who knows even a
little bit about Jesus' death and its meaning can not fail to see that 
Isaiah clearly had a prophetic vision of Christ's passion on the cross.
It is also a powerful proof about the prophetic power of the ancient
prophets of Israel.  Too bad more Jewish people today do not study the 
ancient Hebrew prophets, as the Messianic Jewish Apostle Peter wrote, 
the prophecies are like a light shining into the darkness of the future, 
giving us hope and anticipation of Christ's return and His establishment
of God's Kingdom on Earth.

Regards, Dan K.