In article >,
Mark Humphreys  > wrote:
>Hello Mike,

        Hello again, (third hello back to you :)...)

        Just letting the list know that I am now officially going
back to lurk mode as it has been where I've been for lo these many
years on here.
        In conclusion, I know what I wrote, know I was right for
posting it, believe I know what I was responding to, know what I
said in my own post and pretty much know better now because of it.

Take care all,
Mike.  :)



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On Sep 7,  1:01pm, Joe Szalai wrote:
> Subject: Re: Komondorok, Kuvaszok, es Pulik
> Mark Humphreys wrote:
>
> >This dog discussion is really informative. I agree with
> >the above praise of Shitzus. A neighbor of mine is going
> >to start raising them. They seem to need a lot
> >of grooming, though.
>
> Mark,
>
> With all due respect, and a large nudge-nudge, wink-wink, what kind of a
> #!*+$##@! god could have created a Shitzu?  Istenem!
>
> Joe Szalai
>-- End of excerpt from Joe Szalai

Joe, with all due respect, and additional nudges and winks, God did not creat
the Shitzu!  It was "created" by man trying to play God.  ;-)

Bob Hosh

At 08:37 PM 9/8/96 -0500, Mike Csiki wrote:

>        In conclusion, I know what I wrote, know I was right for
>posting it, believe I know what I was responding to, know what I
>said in my own post and pretty much know better now because of it.

Mike,

I don't share your concern over the type of language on this newsgroup.
Limiting language usage limits personal expression.  Sometimes personal
expression will upset some people, but if it didn't, what good would it be?
Content, and style, is what I value.  I don't mind the occasional flame war,
either.  That too is part of how we express ourselves.

Although I don't agree with you, I appreciate your comments.  I know that
you indicated that you prefer to lurk on this newsgroup but maybe you'll
reconsider and post more often.

Joe Szalai

At 09:30 AM 9/9/96 -0400, Bob Hosh wrote:

>Joe, with all due respect, and additional nudges and winks, God did not creat
>the Shitzu!  It was "created" by man trying to play God.  ;-)

And I'll bet you big bucks that the Shitzu was created by a committee!

Joe Szalai

Hello, Mike:

Thank you for the three consecutive messages regarding THE language on the List
.
I understand your points and they are well taken. However, you should have
stopped with your first posting when you were generally speaking about language
on the line... did you really expect me not to respond when you starting re-
 fering to my posting? I know it's nothing personal, but this isn't either. I d
o
  not believe you are a "flame baiter" and don't care if you're a lurker.

I already stated that after reading snide attacks of others etc... that I was
not surprised at the response I received. Don't you get it?  You are much more
experienced on line than I, so it interests me that you see a decline in the
quality of language on the list.  Often, I find no great problem.  I admire the
civility w/ which most conduct themselves. There have been great discussions &
exchanges of information. I am also more of a lurker than participant.
However, this is not a "Family Entertainment" line and a few words here or
there do not seem to be anything to bemoan the entire level of language. We can
already handle these few occurances as adults.

I understand your points and they are well taken. However, I did not see the
first person's posting regarding the %$% as simply an innocent plea for order.
It's hard to think that especially when it came from someone who sees no
control needed when making snide, personal remarks to others on the List.

If you didn't know what you were jumping into, then you shouldn't have jumped.
I read full threads of discussions before enterring in them. I don't jump into
them, then when I am countered just say: "What are you talking about? I didn't
read everything and DON'T CARE." By investigating more before replying, you can
better prepare yourself for the reactions to come... and not be shocked that
people got soooooo hung up about it.

Mike, pls do not bother to wish me another nice day. One per day is enough.
Thank you,
Mark

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> >Joe, with all due respect, and additional nudges and winks, God did not crea
t
> >the Shitzu!  It was "created" by man trying to play God.  ;-)
>
> And I'll bet you big bucks that the Shitzu was created by a committee!
>
> Joe Szalai
>

Ha! ....   But, Joe, don't EVER use #!*+$##@! again!

Andy's right, Shitzus have such small teeth that they do not do much damage.
In the same light, they have really small tongues so when they bounce up and
down for your attention and lick you... it's not a mess.

Greyhounds anyone? My sister recently adopted a greyhound.  It is so meek that
at first I thought it was an utter dud, BUT it is so thankful to be loved and
have a home that it is simply being overly considerate. It is a dog of routine
and is meticulous in the home. It even gets along well with cats.

We found several small circles of hair gone and discovered that the people at
the racetrack supposedly use electric prodders to sting them if they are seen
sitting (that's bad form!) or perhaps slow in a race. Can anyone Eva or anyone
 confirm?

Contrary to belief, this marvel dog does not run away for ever and ever if un-
leashed. She is a sight dog (like human she relies more on sight than smell) so
is easy to walk.

- Mark

On Sep 9, 10:05am, Joe Szalai wrote:
> Subject: Re: Komondorok, Kuvaszok, es Pulik
> At 09:30 AM 9/9/96 -0400, Bob Hosh wrote:
>
> >Joe, with all due respect, and additional nudges and winks, God did not
creat
> >the Shitzu!  It was "created" by man trying to play God.  ;-)
>
> And I'll bet you big bucks that the Shitzu was created by a committee!
>
> Joe Szalai
>-- End of excerpt from Joe Szalai

And I bet it was a utopian committe too, Joe.  ;-)

Bob Hosh

At 10:01 PM 9/7/96 -0400, Peter Soltesz wrote:

>The basic issues I think is that
>somehow there seems to be this inherent belief in Joe that those
>"freeloafers" oguht to be paid for by those working for a living (via
>taxation and distribution by people like Joe). I disagree with that
>philosophy. This does not mean that I oppose assistacne those those in
>need (determined by me and not Joe and the Govt')..in fact everyone
>should help out all those who are in real need (You will know who they
>are, one does not need a gov't to tell me!).

Peter, you're such a ninny.  You'd be scared shitless going into an inner
city ghetto to discover who the needy are.  By the way, why don't you
determine for yourself how much tax you ought to pay.  After all, you'd know
better than the government, or people like me, how much you should pay.

I also think that all places of worship should be taxed.  That would ease
the tax burden on you and me, Peter.  The churches have no right to be
"freeloafers".  It's immoral!

Joe Szalai

"The contented and economically comfortable have a very discriminating view
of government. Nobody is ever indignant about bailing out failed banks and
failed savings and loans associations . . . . But when taxes must be paid
for the lower middle class and poor, the government assumes an aspect of
wickedness."
              John Kenneth Galbraith

>At 11:37 AM 9/8/96 -0400, Andy wrote:
>
>>They are better then some human
>>beings,since they have to be trained to fight or bite.There are no vars in
>>the dog world.
>
>I always thought that (except for the sick ones) human beings are born good
>and then are educated into being beasts. Like dogs (no insult do dogs
intended).
>
>Gabor D. Farkas
>
>I have to admit Gabor,you are right.Just as long you don'tinsult dogs.
Andy.

>Yes you are a BARON, now go and vote for the MSNP.
>
>Se what I mean.Isn't a Shitzu a better breed?
A.

On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, Mark Humphreys wrote:

.......> believe things much more easily than I. (That is not good or
bad.)............


++++ Well it is like this, if one sees evidence of certain things then
one must believe. For example, if one just simply looks at the laws of
physics -- one does not have to be relgion for this, then by observation
one can easily determine that there must be a creator AND that there are
universal laws in the world ---- perhaps one can tell me WHO is keeping
these laws in effect????

>
> Why would a god just pick one group of cattle. We are all living very
>  differently from life as proscribed in the Bible thousands of years ago-
 should
>  that be
> called 'natural progression and change,' 'progress' or 'deserving of punish-
> ment?'

There is nothing unique about which cattle were chosen...all cattle are
effected whenever the laws of nature are violated -- it is very simple --
If the Americans do it, or the Europeans doe it, etc. the problem will
develop.

You are right, some people require more proof than others -- some even
require a kick in the head to see what is in front of them! --

> ... Who dares make these interpretations of an unknown,
> superior god? Who dares claim to be on his level to understand his will?
>
+++ well part of it is observation, part is previous history (bible),
part of faith!? Apparently God also made some comments to that effect i
the bible as well -- there are some prophets, etc.

....>  god enjoys watching limited, ignorant humans talk and decide things
on its >  behalf?? .....

+++  Isuppose that one must have an understanding of the purpose of why
we are here on this earth (I  must say I also wonder many times)
Yet, there seems to be aa plan and a reason for why we are all here.
I am sure that God is laughing at us now because of our ignorance and
blindnes and stupidity.  If someone tells you something (say you tell
your child not do do something -- or to do it a certain way only and then
it is not done that way ----but you already know the answer that it will
not work -- or for that matter it will hurt you---- what will you do?????

Would you let your child burn their hand so that he/she may learn the
hard way NOT to play with fire [after repeatedly telling him/her not to
play with it?]

> ***** >
> A fire can burn and you can pray that it will be extinguished... and sooner o
r
> later... voila.. it's gone (anyway).


+++ One important thing -- it seems that this argument is wrong --- God
does NOT expect you to be stupid !!!! Why is it that everyhting is
exepected form God, when you yourself could solve the problem and have
the solution??
>
> It is true that not much is known from AIDS, but I do not see where that is
> justification to suddenly play the 'god card' for every unknown. If nothing i
s
> known about something, why do people dare say they KNOW it comes from this go
d
> and they KNOW its reason even??
>

+++ an interesting point --- if I may, the assumption here is that IFone
acted
according to the Bible, then you may not get Aids.....


Sorry for the short answers Mark:

Peter Soltesz

>S or G Farkas wrote:
>>
>> At 11:37 AM 9/8/96 -0400, Andy wrote:
>>
>> >They are better then some human
>> >beings,since they have to be trained to fight or bite.There are no vars in
>> >the dog world.
>>
>> I always thought that (except for the sick ones) human beings are born good
>> and then are educated into being beasts. Like dogs (no insult do dogs
>intended).
>>
>> Gabor D. Farkas
 >
>
>
>O... yes.
>
>Now, you, as a good farka,s go amd vote for the MNSP, and..
>do not bark.
>
>Who needs this barking Dog?(Sorry dogs I did not intend to hurt your feelings.
)
A.

>At 09:30 AM 9/9/96 -0400, Bob Hosh wrote:
>
>>Joe, with all due respect, and additional nudges and winks, God did not creat
>>the Shitzu!  It was "created" by man trying to play God.  ;-)
>
>And I'll bet you big bucks that the Shitzu was created by a committee!
>
>Joe Szalai
>
>And a smart one >Andy.

On Mon, 9 Sep 1996, Joe Szalai wrote:

> ........ You'd be scared shitless going into an inner
> city ghetto to discover who the needy are.  By the way, why don't you
> determine for yourself how much tax you ought to pay.  After all, you'd know
> better than the government, or people like me, how much you should pay.
>
++ Little do you know JOe: I have been in NYC, Phila, Boston, LA,
Washington, Atlanta, Chicago, Kansas Ciry, St. Louis "inner" districts
and I saw. Have you????
I have been to London, Birgmingham, HingKOng, Delhi, Bombay and seen the
world. I think that I can state categorically that compared to me you are
just a babe in the woods !! What can you tell me about what people need?
You just foam at the mouth all the time. I went, I saw, I done, what have
you done?? I guarantee that if you spend a little as one week  (make that
a day) in some New Delhi slums you would perhaps understand what is needed.
So please spare your BS unless you know what you are talking about!


> I also think that all places of worship should be taxed.  That would ease
> the tax burden on you and me, Peter.  The churches have no right to be
> "freeloafers".  It's immoral!
+++  Perhaps so...but in reality I would be (and I am certain all of us
would) be willing to pay a 10% of all of our income -- no deductions, no
funny stuff. I f you make 10$ you pay $1 if you make $10K then pay $1k,
etc.

Very equtable. Then the govt' will have to live like the rest of us ON A
REAL BUDGET!


Peter Soltesz

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>>Bob Hosh:>
>> >Joe, with all due respect, and additional nudges and winks, God did not
creat
>> >the Shitzu!  It was "created" by man trying to play God.  ;-)
>>
>> And I'll bet you big bucks that the Shitzu was created by a committee!
>>
>> Joe Szalai
>>
>
>Ha! ....   But, Joe, don't EVER use #!*+$##@! again!
>
>Andy's right, Shitzus have such small teeth that they do not do much damage.
>In the same light, they have really small tongues so when they bounce up and
>down for your attention and lick you... it's not a mess.
>
>Greyhounds anyone? My sister recently adopted a greyhound.  It is so meek that
>at first I thought it was an utter dud, BUT it is so thankful to be loved and
>have a home that it is simply being overly considerate. It is a dog of routine
>and is meticulous in the home. It even gets along well with cats.
>
>We found several small circles of hair gone and discovered that the people at
>the racetrack supposedly use electric prodders to sting them if they are seen
>sitting (that's bad form!) or perhaps slow in a race. Can anyone Eva or anyone
> confirm?
>
>Contrary to belief, this marvel dog does not run away for ever and ever if un-
>leashed. She is a sight dog (like human she relies more on sight than smell) s
o
>is easy to walk.
>
>- Mark
>
 Mark:this is Andy not Eva,but I wish more people would adopt those
greyhounds.What I heard they are smart,and obedient,but not watch
dogs,neither hunters.They are "only"dogs whom humans trained to make monney.
Andy.>

>Andy Kozma wrote:
>>
>> >Mark Humphreys wrote:
>> >
>> >>This dog discussion is really informative. I agree with
>> >>the above praise of Shitzus. A neighbor of mine is going
>> >>to start raising them. They seem to need a lot
>> >>of grooming, though.
>> >
>> >Mark,
>> >
>> >With all due respect, and a large nudge-nudge, wink-wink, what kind of a
>> >#!*+$##@! god could have created a Shitzu?  Istenem!
>> >
>> >Joe Szalai
>> >
>> >Joe:don't you dare to say anytjing bad about Shitzu"s(grin).They are one of
>> the sweetest companions as far as I am concerned.They are cross beetwen
>> Penkingeese and Lhas-Apso's.Probaly inheriting the best of both.I am a dog
>> lover and love all kinds of them.They are better then some human
>> beings,since they have to be trained to fight or bite.There are no vars in
>> the dog world.
>> Regards:Andy.
>
>Plase.
>
>This a new group. NEWSGROUP?????????????
>
>GET THE DOG SHWO TO THE CIRKUS.
>
>Yes,anything against it?So far nobody used any derogative words or
statement,as some of the others have used.If you don't like that some dog
lovers want to give advice to one who is searching to have a dog,well then
there is plenty of other stuff for you to read and to join that Circus.
Andy.

Richard Alexander wrote:

>In late 1990 or early 1991 (I am writing this off the cuff and from old
>memories) IKARUS was up for privatization, and several tenders were
>made.  One, which got a good deal of publicity at the time, was by an
>American entrepreneuir. . . .
>His bid, which apparently was on the up-and-up, and had good financial
>backing, was high.  But the Antall government turned it down, and
>accepted instead a bid from a consortium that included the (then still
>operating) Soviet Union.  The argument given in the press was that since
>the USSR was IKARUS's major customer, the company could not afford to
>lose the good will of the USSR.

        Yes, your memory serves you right. The Soviet/Russian company was
unable to secure the Russian market. If there is no money for new buses,
there is no money and Russian company or not they couldn't change that.

>Well, the rest is history, as they say.
>
>There are many other such stories, variations on a theme.  The theme is
>the manipulation (under the Antall government) of the privatization
>process so as to enrich the former managers of the state concerns.
>Another theme that applies here is the utter unwillingness to accept that
>the industries to be privatized needed modernization desperately, and
>that the infrastructure surrounding those factories also desperately
>needed modernizing.

        And let's add that there are still manipulations of the
privatization process. I read one interview with some bigwig who announced
that one of the prerequisites of any tender is that the new company must
keep the name. Yes, said he, there have been some talk about Volvo being
interested but they don't want to keep the name. Maybe I am just far too
hard-headed but for crying outloud when thousands of jobs are at stake, when
economic growth is so important, should we care about under what names they
are making those buses? I shouldn't think so.

        Eva Balogh

Peter Soltesz:

>Just so everyone outside Hungary is clear on the subject: In Hungary it
>is permissible and often done that members of Parliament and Government
>agnecies have conflicting desires. For example, it does not make sense for
>Hungary to permit the Minister of Telecom (etc. ) who proposes and
>executes the laws to be also a member of Parliament that passes the laws.
>That is clearly equivalent to having a Seantor or Congressman be also
>part of the Administration. Moreover, many Adminsitration types (officials)
>also have private and completely contradictory ownerships and interests in
>companies and projects that benefit them directly (or indirectly for
>those more discreet).

        I think this is a bit confusing. I think what Peter actually means
is that there are no laws governing conflict of interests when it comes to
members of parliament. For months now there have been quite a struggle over
the issue and, I am afraid, the governing parties shamelessly defend a
system which can lead to corruption and allows members of parliament to be
heavily involved in state- and/or private businesses. The practice of being
mayors and parliamentary members at the same time is also questionable. By
the way, it was this current government which abolished the ban on such
practice as soon as they got into office. (Otherwise, several MSZP and SZDSZ
mayors would have had to decide between jobs.) Heading large unions (like
the teachers' union) and also serving in parliament is also a strange
phenomenon. I think it was only the Fidesz which would not allow any of
these questionable practices.

        Eva Balogh

At 02:36 PM 9/7/96 -0400, Joe Szalai wrote:
>At 09:44 AM 9/6/96 -0700, Eva Balogh, who once again is giving me
>unsolicited free advice, wrote:
>
><sinp>
>>        It is not too smart to comment on matters about which we don't know
>>much. You have no idea what shock therapy is but you assume that it means
>>making the population poverty-stricken. Please, take your blinders off. You
>>are an intlligent man, but when it comes to socialism and welfare state you
>>lose your common sense.
>
>Au contraire!  My common sense, if I have any at all, comes from my profound
>belief that economic problems are not to be solved on the backs of the most
>disadvantaged members of society.  It doesn't take any skill, knowledge,
>guts, or what have you, to extract even more from 'the poor'.  It just takes
>greed, which is often disguised as love for the economic prosperity of a
>nation.  Blinders, and an incessant faith in the free market capitalist
>system can aid in the plundering.

        I still think that you don't know what "shock therapy" in this case
means. It simply means a quick change-over from state ownership to private
ownership in the hope that although such a quick move might cause
dislocations, unemployment, etc. BUT that with the equally quick
establishment of new, privately owned factories the dislocations and
unemployment will be of shorter duration. It has nothing to do with the
"backs of the most disadvantaged members of society."

        Eva Balogh

Andy:

> Tz tz tz:are you loosing your religious control?How come?You should educate
> evrybody regardless of there beives,since yours is superior to all of them.

Superiority is a good question. According to my religious beliefs
Jesus Christ proved his godly nature by dying for us, people, on
the Cross, and by his death He offered salvation for everyone.

In the discussion about Heidegger we did not talk about religion,
but about philosophy and about the authenticity of one's acting
on his/her philosophical convictions. Now, if someone refuses
to talk about the real issue, and flees into a simplistic name
calling, as Sam did, then he himself chose a 'non-superior' posi-
tion, and he himself rejected the possibility of being educated
by anyone, not by x or z but by anybody, about the thing.

> How about the potato famine?Who did pray for
> that?How about tifus,colera,etc.
I have no idea what potato famine is and why should anybody
have prayed for that or for the other diseases. People in their
right mind don't pray for disasters. (Or at least not to God --
He would not accept this kind of prayer.)

> I endorse your beiefs,if this is yours well go ahead,
> and I hope you live by it.
What kind of beliefs are you exactly talking about?  I'm just
curious... You look sometimes so confused about people and
topics, I really don't know if you are, actually, talking to me.

> Mind you I doubt it,since you do not consider your fellow human beings,as
> equals to You.
That is the life, Andy. We are equals according to the laws. And
that's fine with me. Black is the same as white, Jew is the same
as Christian, American is the same as French: human beings. This
realization is one of the greatest achievements of human history.
But, at the same time, we are not equal copies of the same human
being. It would be simply impossible.

Hungarians are humble people, anyway. We accept the hard times as
well as the good ones. And also, we are sensitive about injustices
against our country or against our cultural heritage. If Canadians
or Americans really want to understand Hungarian people (I don't
know, if they really want it) they must understand our national,
patriotistic sensitivity.
                                                        Sz. Zoli

You will find no answer in the Fletcher paper, but will find it in any
dictionary. A group or the term "collective" are clearly defined there, and
their rights flow in a self-evident manner as an inherent consequence of
individual human rights.

A. Albu

In article >,
Chris Martin  > wrote:
>I am researching my Hungarian heritage.  If you know anything about a
>village named Varbo, please e-mail:
>
        Chris, and list followers with similar requests, there is an
on-line resource for tracking family roots, tracing family histories,
and locating segements of your family living in Eastern Europe.

Contact  for further details - he is a stand up guy and
will most assuredly help you in any way he can.  :)

Thanks.  :)
Mike



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At 02:45 PM 9/9/96 -0400, Peter Soltesz frothed:

>++ Little do you know JOe: I have been in NYC, Phila, Boston, LA,
>Washington, Atlanta, Chicago, Kansas Ciry, St. Louis "inner" districts
>and I saw. Have you????

No, I have not.  They don't sound like great tourist destinations.

>I have been to London, Birgmingham, HingKOng, Delhi, Bombay and seen the
>world.

Being a jet setter is not the same as being an advocate for the poor.

>I think that I can state categorically that compared to me you are
>just a babe in the woods !!

You're too generous.

>What can you tell me about what people need?

Given your grasp of reality, nothing.

>You just foam at the mouth all the time.

Shit.  And I thought I had the rabies under control.  Thanks for pointing it
out.  I thought it was just cream.

>I went, I saw, I done, what have you done??

Veni, Vidi, Vici, Wacko??

>I guarantee that if you spend a little as one week  (make that
>a day) in some New Delhi slums you would perhaps understand what is needed.

I'm sure that without such an experience I remain ignorant.

>So please spare your BS unless you know what you are talking about!

Hey!  You contradict yourself.  If it's BS, wouldn't you say that I'm more
than qualified?

>+++  Perhaps so...but in reality I would be (and I am certain all of us
>would) be willing to pay a 10% of all of our income -- no deductions, no
>funny stuff. I f you make 10$ you pay $1 if you make $10K then pay $1k,
>etc.
>
>Very equtable. Then the govt' will have to live like the rest of us ON A
>REAL BUDGET!

Please, Peter.  Give it a rest.  I know that the flat tax idea appeals to
you but it just ain't gonna work.  No way.  No how.  It's not on.

Joe Szalai

"Poverty is an anomaly to rich people. It is very difficult to make out why
people who want dinner do not ring the bell."
                     Walter Bagehot

At 02:36 PM 9/9/96 -0700, Eva Balogh wrote:

>        I still think that you don't know what "shock therapy" in this case
>means. It simply means a quick change-over from state ownership to private
>ownership in the hope that although such a quick move might cause
>dislocations, unemployment, etc. BUT that with the equally quick
>establishment of new, privately owned factories the dislocations and
>unemployment will be of shorter duration. It has nothing to do with the
>"backs of the most disadvantaged members of society."

Great hatchet job there, Eva.  You willfully truncated what I wrote in a
feeble attempt to ridicule me.  Well, it won't work.  It's a cheap
diversionary tactic.  What I wrote was: "My common sense, if I have any at
all, comes from my profound belief that economic problems are not to be
solved on the backs of the most disadvantaged members of society."  And now
you're trying to convince me that I'm wrong, and that I don't understand
what I'm talking about, and on and on, in a bizarre attempt to show that the
disadvantaged in society are not the ones who will feel the effects of your
"shock therapy", if you had your way.  Then, pray tell me, who will?  Who
will be dislocated and unemployed?  Do you expect me to believe that it will
be the elite?  The well off?  Please!  I have my limitations, but I'm not
THAT stupid.  I stand by my comment.

Joe Szalai

Peter Kmet' wrote:

>RK:rather a compliment). Frajkor, Pacek, Szurek, Gazdik, Ziska, Kmet...
>RK: ... who are using inuendo and undue association of themselfs with the
>                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>RK:whole nation.
>
>You must know that freedom of association and freedom of speech without any
>fear of harassment are basic human rights. So what are you talking about?

Far be it from me to interpret Mr. Kanala's "inuendos and undue associations".
RK has no concept of freedom of association nor freedom of speech, moreover
he would appear to exhibit a schizophrenic nature, for instance on Mon, 26 Aug
he wrote in response to Jozef Simek :

>Samozrejme, ze mi je neprijemne, ze ked sa na mna vrhli fasisti vsetkych
>krajin spojili sa, tak sa mi zacne pliest pod nohami a tahat za nohavicu
>a oberat o pozornost a o cas. Je to velmi zly moment.

Aside from the similarity between his commentary and the bolshevik vocabulary
his comments would appear to be indicative of a delusional mental disorder,
perhaps indicative of some form of schizophrenia.

All disclaimers apply. Not speaking for Ford, Ford Prefect or Douglas Adams.

I'm looking at the possibility of spending a week or maybe ten days in
Budapest next year (around the end of June). I'm looking for the best
value for money hotel or pension in Budapest (not necessarily the
cheapest). My criteria is this:

1. It can be on the Buda or Pest side, but the more central the location, the
   better.
2. It must offer free parking facilities.
3. The furnishings and decor of the bedrooms must be modern and up to date
   of good quality international standards.
4. State whatever currency you like whether in Forints, Marks, Sterling -
   anything. I'm looking for the lowest possible price of a double room
   which meets the above criteria.

You may e-mail me privately if you wish. Many thanks.

Attila Varga

Thank goodness this chain of hotels is to be privatised.

Some of their hotels are in desperate need of modernisation and refurbishment.

Take the Annabella in Balatonfured, for example. Although a small number
of the bedrooms have recently been refurbished, they are still not up to
international standards. The older rooms look like they haven't been
touched since the hotel was built in 1968.

The balaconies present a serious health and safety problem. As a person
who is exactly six foot tall, the height of the balcony only comes up to
my thigh!

The only direct access to the restaurant is down a fairly long flight of
steps (totally unsuitable for a disabled person) and the public areas
could also benefit from some long overdue refurbishment.

Farkas D. Gabor > wrote (Sun Sep  8 16:33:26 EDT 1996
HUNGARY #784):

>Not a response to the question posed,
[referring to a question of Alexander Szegedy concerning the travelling Pope]
>just a quote from Reuters, describing
>Michael Jackson's visit to Hungary:
>
>Police said the crowd greeting Jackson was the largest they'd seen at the
>airport for years. ``There were at least twice as many people here as for
>the Pope,'' said
>one policemen.
>
>
>Gabor D. Farkas
>
The first statement is just simply ridiculous. I saw a TV-report (the short
Hirado following He't on Sunday) on the arrival of Jackson; the commentator
said "some hundred" people (and I think even this number was overestimated).
When our gold medalists returned from Atlanta, or when Ferencvaros returned
from his victorious cup match (not from Amsterdam, though) the crowds were
immeasurably larger. (Maybe the official in charge of estimating crowd sizes
was off-duty at those times :-) or maybe he was at least twice as drunk as
on other occasions.)

As to the second statement of this 'one policemen': I do not know how many
people greeted the Pope two days earlier at the airport, what I know is that
150 thousand people took part in the Holy Mass near Gyo"r - despite of the
extremely rough weather conditions - some of them staying there from 1 a.m.
to 2 p.m.

George Jalsovszky

A few days ago  Andrew_Rozsa > wrote:

 >All this discussion about dogs rekindled a long desire of mine to get
 >a Hungarian dog. Never had the space or the time for one, but now
 >there is a fence in the back, some nice woods, and the kid is almost
 >10, so here I go, dreaming again.
 >
 >[...] There seems to be some expertise
 >within the readership of this list, so I would be very appreciative if
 >some of you could post personal experiences, anecdotes, suggestions,
 >etc. about Komondorok, Kuvaszok, and Pulik.
 >
 >Ello"re is ko"szo"nom,
 >
 >Bandi

If you are interested in Kuvasz, there is a mailing list for Kuvasz
owners.  If you write to the list or a personal letter to the
listowner, I am sure you will get helpful messages and a lot of useful
information.

You can subscribe by sending an E-mail to the address

                

with the message body

                SUBSCRIBE KUVASZ-L Your Name

Listowner is Melissa Paul >.

Hope this helps. With best regards,
szivelyes udvozlettel

Magda Zimanyi

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Alexander Szegedy > wrote in HUNGARY #784:

> This is indeed a traveling Pope, who visited practically every corner
> of this globe, except one. He never set foot on the birthplace of
> Jesus, or celebrated mass at the Holy Sepulchre Church in Jerusalem.
> He is obviously boycotting the State of Israel.
> Can anyone explain this?

The Pope was asked during his visit to Hungary about his future plans.
He told that there are three places he would like to visit: he
mentioned Jerusalem in the first place. The other two places he
mentioned were Moscow and China.

About the question why he did not visit Jerusalem up till now: I am
not quite sure it would be justified to talk about a boycott. In my
humble opinion the explanation is very probably the security problem.
As you surely know since Ali Agca's attempt on John Paul II's life the
security of the Pope is a major concern of all countries he visits.
There were also extraordinary security measures during his visit to
Hungary.

With best regards
Magda Zimanyi

 Magdolna Zimanyi
 KFKI Research Institute for Particle  Phone: +36-1-175-8257
 and Nuclear Physics                   FAX:   +36-1-169-6567
 Computer Networking Center            E-mail: 
 H-1525 Budapest 114, POB. 49, Hungary URL: http://www.kfki.hu/~mzimanyi
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