On Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:21:58 +0000, Magdolna Zimanyi >
 wrote:
>Denes BOGSANYI > wrote:
>> 
>>  Rokonsag bar nics de szoros tortenelmi kapcsolat az van. A lengyel
>> Jadwega (nemetul Hedwig) ha jol tudom Arpadhazi Szent Margit huga
>> volt. O alapitotta ujra a Crakow-i egyetemet es o rajta keresztul lett
>> a magyar Nagy Lajos lengyel kiraly.
>> Udv
>> Denes
>
>Elnezest, nem egeszen igy volt. Jadwiga Nagy Lajos leanya volt, es mivel
>Nagy Lajos magyar es lengyel kiraly volt, a lengyel tront Jadwiga 
>nevu leanya orokolte, a magyart pedig a masik leanya, aki Maria 
>kiralyne lett. Nagy Lajosnak kulonben az anyja is lengyel volt,
>Lokietek Erzsebet (akit, ha mashonnan nem, a Zach Klara es Zach
>Felician tortenetebol ismerunk, az o negy ujjat vagta le Zach Felician).

Igen, en is valahogy igy emlekeztem erre, de a reszletek nelkul.
Az egyik lengyel levelezo ezt igy irta meg angolul:

Ludwik Wegierki (Louis of Hungary) succeded Kazimierz III Wielki
(Casimir III the Great (1333-1370).  Jadwiga (1384-1399) succeded her
father.  She married Wladyslaw Jagiello (1386-1434) in February, 1386.
Casimir III died without male heirs.  His sister Elizabeth, was Louis'
mother, thus making Casimir his uncle.  Added to this relationship,
were many common strategic needs of Poland and Hungary.  

>A magyar-lengyel kapcsolatok masik legnevezetesebb alakja Bathory Istvan
>volt, akit erdelyi fejedelmi szekbol valasztottak lengyel kirallya.
>Lengyelek voltak a Jagello uralkodok is, I. es II. Ulaszlo,
>akik azonban a magyar tortenelemben  nem hagytak tul jo emlekezetet... 

Valoban, s ilyen szempontbol a lengyelek "adosak" nekunk.  Ugyanis mi
sokkal jobb urlakodokat adtunk nekik. ;-)

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Istvan Lippai > wrote:

>Nem is szabad, mert a zsidok tomeges gyilkolasa nagyon
>elvetemedett dolog volt.  Akkor gurulok be amikor valaki 
>azt akarja magyarazni, hogy ebben magyaroknak jelentos 
>reszuk volt.
>Fiatal voltam, de azert lattam volna ha a magyarok 
>gyilkoltak volna zsidokat. 
>


2. INSTALLMENT:

Before I continue, let me finish the story about the events
in the hunting lodge:
During late August or September 1944, in that forest in the
Carpatians, there was some small-scale ukrain partisan
activity. After one of the shooting matches between them and
an army patrol, this lodge was discovered. The partizans
took the two Poles, but refused to take the Jewish family
with them. The family was killed, presumably in a
concentration camp. The two Poles also disappeared,
presumably killed later by the ukrain partisans.
We also moved and my Mother and I lived on an East-hungarian
farm till the front moved through. My father was doing
another of his short army-stints on the home-front, than
went AWOL mid-october. The fightings passed over us within
days or weeks.
Notwithstanding that there were a few good man, there also
were a few bad men. Yes, the gendarmerie (Mounted Police)
was ordered to assist the German authorities to "solve the
Jewish-problem". They participated, most passively, few
actively and even brutally. That time none of them, not even
the higher brass knew, that the Jews were taken into
deathcamps. (The first eyewitness telling the real story of
the "final solution" in the concentration camps to the
Hungarian Government, was a hungarian jew deported from
Slovakia to a deathcamp, and somehow escaped, and contacted
the Hungarian Authorities in May and his testimonial was
taken in May or June only. The copy of his testimony was
passed to the English after the investigation closed.
[Publicly England and her Allies still deny their knowledge
of the existence of these camps at that time.] The
deportations from Hungary were halted, unfortunately too
late for those living in the provinces. The further
deportation of the Jews had to wait until the nazi
[Arrow-cross] putch in october.) 
Yes, we have to admit, that the Arrocross (the party of the
Hungarian National Socialists), similarly to their French or
even Dutch nazi brethren actively killed Jews, and thank
God, ours were stupid enough, to accept false documents
manufactured in non-jewish Hungarian homes, parish
rectories, the Swedish and the Spanish Embassys.
Yes, Hungarians, along with all nations on the continent
under German rule murdered Jews.
There is no sense or reason denying it.
Does it make Hungary worse than the other nations? No.
Should we be ashamed? Yes.
Should we remember? Yes.

I must say, that these, contained in these two Installments,
are not direct responses to either Agi or to Istvan. Agi is
not a magyar-gyulolo on the extreme left, and Istvan is not
a zsidogyulolo antisemite from the extreme right. As I know
them by their contributions to these groups, they are honest
and good people, who are hurting, and their hurt are
different, and their view of the world and of each other are
different -- as I am different with different view,
different experiences ad different temperament. They just
have given me an opportunity to have my say to something
which often surfaces and stirs (understandably) emotions,
awakens painful memories.

In article >  (aheringer) writes:
>  
>says...
>>
>>Hi friends,
>>I desire correspond with Noble of the Arabia, of Marocco, Emirates 
>United
>>Arabs, Africans, Oman,
>>India, Qatar, Middle East, etc.
>>I answer all.
>>I am 17 years old and am Italian and alive in the City of Como. my Hobby 
>is
>>the Heraldry, the history, the geography, the tennis, etc.
>>
>>Thank you. 
>>Prince Giovanni Terzaghi y Pilo Boyl

>And may I ask why you posted your message on the magyar (Hungarian) list?

>Agnes

My guess is that he has no clue what Magyar stands for, and it sounded exotic 
when he browsed through newsgroups on the soc.culture... hierarchy.
Grof GK Kerlakalassan Hogyismondjam Ize' :-)

Marina Robb > wrote in article <01bc30bd$ee7db820$c301a
>...
> 
> 
> Gustav Horvath > wrote in article
> >...
> > ""Marina Robb" > writes:
> 
> > According to Rodney Castledens World History, in 410 AD the  Huns (the 
> > forerunners of the Turks and HUN/-/GARIANS) introduced trousers, which
> > replaced togas and stirrups for horse-riding.It seems to me quite obvious t
hat
> > these "uncivilized and uncultured" people had more urge to prevent their
> > private parts from hanging out than their "civilized" counterparts whom kep
t 
> > falling off of their horses and in this process evidently showed "who was t
he man".

> What the hell have trousers got to do with civilization? A barbarian in
> trousers is still a barbarian!!! Toga wearers prooduced philosophy, art,
> mathematics and science.  Maybe its Freudian you know, covering up what you
> haven't got. That penis envy thing that old sigmund talked about!

Hi Marina,

What an interesting twist..

If Frued kept talking about it, could his theory be self-applicaple?.. :-)

And, should I take it that toga wearers ceased to excel at those walks 
simply because they no more do wear togas? :-)

And, how often does one encounter covering up things that do not exist? ;-)

Regards,
Basri

In article >, Andrei Popov >
 writes:
|> Wojtek Rypniewski wrote:
|> 
|> > Risking all defending Poland is such an absurd idea to the Western mind
|> > that we Poles should just forget it. Once and for all. Let's stop being
|> > naive and face the hard truth and then think calmly and without
|> > illusions what we can really do to protect ourselves.
|> 
|> The best thing you can do is consult a psychotherapist.

It turns out that for the past 200 years (except for one brief interval,
1917-1939) Poland was occupied by little green men from Mars. I thought,
quite wrongly, that they were mostly Russian soldiers. Silly me.

Sorry for the misunderstading. I stand corrected.

Wojtek
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 writes:

> Ah, so that explains why all those "sans culotte"-s in France even in
> the 18th century! ;-)
Not to mention the Scots. 
But seriously, does anyone know where buttons came from? 
;-)>   Gustav

On 15 Mar 1997 05:31:04 GMT, 
Istvan Lippai > wrote:

>Kivaltsagos estet toltottunk el Helen Szablyaval.  'A voros csillag
>lebukasa' (The Fall of the Red Star) cimu nagysikeru (bestselling book for
>young adults) konyv iroja.
>
>A konyv egy 14-eves szabadsagharcos elemenyeirol szol.  Az iro beszelt a
>menekulesi elmenyeirol is.  Harom gyerekkel szoktek meg decemberben.  A
>legkissebbik gyerek 3 hetes volt, a legnagobb, 4 eves.
>
>Ennek a csaladnak a hosies tortenete megint emlekesztetett ra, hogy miert
>vagyok buszke a magyar nepre.

Erdekes veletlen ...  Ugyanis Szablyaek kb. egy merfoldre laknak itt
tolem, s rendszeresen elszoktam latogatni hozzajuk a gyakori
partijaikra.  Ugyanis, amint biztos tudod, az Ilonka az itteni
tiszteletbeli magyar konzul is egyben.  Nem is tudtam, hogy feletek jart
mostanaban.  Nekem is megvan az a konyv, de meg nem olvastam.  Majd ha
en is nyugdijas leszek. ;-) 

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Andrei Popov wrote:

> I would also never agree that Russian leaders MUST always follow
> opinion polls - we are not in USA, thank God.

You must be Russian patriot, Andrei, to feel that Russia is somehow 
better "to be in" than the USA.  Better for whom, the populace or the 
miniscule elites ?

Then again, I notice that you are posting from the UK ... so perhaps you 
are "voting with you feet", eh :-)

Ivan

Hi, Agnes, Istvan, everybody,
don't you think, that most of these arguments are
overwhelmingly tirening and repetitious? NATO, G.Soros,
anti-peasantizm (I know Eva won't find it in her [or any]
dictionary and will be terribly upset), antisemitism, etc.
Let me comment on two, the second in Hungarian - the pun
cannot be translated:
1/.Soros:
In the February issue of "The Atlantic Monthly", there is an
article by Mr. George Soros. You all should read it, it is
quite a telling document, and continue the discussion after.
2/.NATO:
'56-ban volt egy vicc. Ugyan nem a NATOrol, de az ENSZ rol:
<< - Mi van az ENSZ lobogojara irva?
     - "Leben und leben hagyni"  >>
I think it's just as revelant today as it was then.
Dominus et pax vobiscum

 (David "Dave" Litkey) wrote:

 (U.Gabe) writes:
>
>
>> >...
>> >thanks

>-- 
>David "Dave" Litkey


Yes and no.
Most of the book contains interpretations he heard from his
mother (and/or grandmother) as well as from the servants. It
is also true, that some are made tongue in cheek.
Greetings.

Erol Keskin > wrote in article >...
> Gustav Horvath wrote:
> > 
> > ""Marina Robb" > writes:
> > snip
> > > the uncivilised and uncultured
> > > Turks (whatever culture you've got you got it from the Arabs, a civilised
> > > people)
> > snip
> > According to Rodney Castledens World History, in 410 AD the  Huns (the
> > forerunners of the Turks and HUN/-/GARIANS) introduced trousers, which repl
aced
> > togas and stirrups for horse-riding.It seems to me quite obvious that these
> > "uncivilized and uncultured" people had more urge to prevent their private 
parts
> > from hanging out than their "civilized" counterparts whom kept falling off 
of
> > their horses and in this process evidently showed "who was the man".
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > Cheers, Gustav
> 
> 
> 
>   Not only "showed that" but it was the main reason why Huns were 
>  extremely successfull in their campaignes; Those people, I tell
>  you, kept falling off their horses for foreplay.

Well, I never !! :-)

>   I say negative population growth has its roots in ancient times.

Do you mean partial celibacy is partially inherited? :-))

Regards,
Basri

Istvan Lippai wrote:
> 
> Dominus > wrote
> > Dear Ines,
> > Thank you for sharing your feelings towards Hungarians with
> > us. Very few in the successor-states admit to the facts.
> > Warmly:
> > D. v.
> 
> I second it.  She is one classy lady.  I am glad she is on our side.  How
> about declaring her and honorary Hungarian?
> Istvan


Thank you both from my heart.  I am happy to set the record straight.

Best wishes to all of you.

Ines
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 wrote 
> Ki mondta, hogy nem pillantok oda? En csak azt fogadtam meg, hogy irni
> nem irok oda tobbet.

Jozsi,
A Hillary-Elena vitat a FORUM-on nagyon elveztem.  Tudtam, hogy foleg az
'idiota' megjegyzesem Hillary-ra, rettenetes es szemelyes valaszt fog
kivaltani BE-bol.
Istvan

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Charles Loboz wrote:
> 

Dear Charles,

 
> Unfortunately, the reasons for most Poles wanting to join NATO are not
> based on the interest (or lack of) of private Russian citiziens. They are
> based on recent history and current situation. They are based on the
> perceived stability, behaviour and the political interests of the Russian
> _State_.

I do not absolve Russian citizens completely from the Russian State.

On the other hand, people on the streets are likely to be critical of their 
governement, but fortunately for Russia (and other countries as well) it's not 
these
famous "people from the street" who determine national politics. Thus, when you
read another reporter's comments about "8 people out of 10 in Moscow when
asked what do they think about NATO expansion, responded" bullshit - do not 
fool yourself with the results of these polls. 

And please spare us from arrogant comments about "behaviour" of the Russian
State. You can use this terminology when asked about your kids' temper-
that's your business.
 

 
>         1) I doubt that many Russian citiziens wholeheartedly supported  Russ
ian
> military intervention in Tchetchnya - yet it did happen, mostly because
> only a small minority of the people in power circles in the Russian _State_
> (to me it includes the military) wanted it. In short: the fact that most
> Russian citiziens do not want something does not mean that the _State_ does
> not want it.
> 

I would not endorse the compaign in Chechnya the way it happened, but -
I would also never agree that Russian leaders MUST always follow
opinion polls - we are not in USA, thank God.



>         2) Frequently stated by Russian State officials 'Russian interests'
> outside Russia's borders.

so what? Whether you like it or not, Russia does have these interests, 
for example security interests, which is best shown by the concern over 
NATO expansion.


> 
>         3) Perception of rather fragile stability of the Russian _State_ righ
t
> now. President's Yeltsin successor may have different views on many
> European matters. And, to establish his power base inside the country, he
> may want to play the card of international politics. There are some
> elements in the Russian politics which would welcome 'stronger' foreign
> policy. Current economic situation in Russia also does not point to growing
> stability.

look, whatever happens in Russia, it's our business. And I do not want
NATO to conduct operations in Russia in order to "stabilize" it the way
they did it in Granada, Panama (USA), Somali (USA), Bosnia, now Albania.
This consideration alone is more than enough to oppose NATO approaching
our borders.


 > But, I hope, you do recognize that Poles do not seek entry to NATO in order
> to make the situation less stable by advocating conflict with Russia. They
> want to join NATO to make the situation _more_ stable. To have better
> chance of pursuing these business with their neighbours in a stable
> environment.
 

We are not getting anywhere - I think the arguments are over. The only scenario
left:

whoever want to join NATO - does it. Russia reduces conventional forces-
too expensive - and deploys the short- and intermediate-range nuclear missiles
on the hole perimeter of its borders and puts them on TRIGGER alert. Can you gu
ess,
what these land-based tactical nuclear weapons will be pointed at?

All possible nuclear arms reduction treaties with USA will be duly scrapped, et
c...
Situation around new NATO members and generally in Europe becomes more and more
"stable", etc...

In the long run this policy is _very_ stupid. West had a wonderful opportunity 
to
make Russia completely useless by helping to create out of it a friendly toothl
ess
consumer society. Instead of this they have managed to mobilise the hole countr
y 
against a perceived threat. I just love it - thoughout its history Russia 
performed best of all when faced with such a challenge. 

Unfortunately, at what a cost !

best luck


Andrei

In article >,
 wrote:

> First of all, I am not trying to advocate commies.
> In fact, I despise commies to the same degree I despise nazies.
> The point of my post was that Soviets never faced any significant
> resistance in Eastern Europe. (Examples of significant resistance:
> Civil War in Russia - est. 20-25 mln. dead, Finland, 
> Bandera movement in Ukraine, Lithvinian "Forest Brothers", Afganistan,
> Chechnya).
> Nothing _remotely_ close happened in E.Europe. Don't give me Hungary'56
> and Prague'68 - these were minor incidents. Most of the E. Europe
> collaborated with Soviets, more or less, 

> In short, if you really hate smth, you try to get rid of it no matter
> what. 
> But if you go along with it for more than 40 years, simply whining now
> and when, 
> you do not deserve any sympathy, support or respect.

In Russia, the resistance had collapsed by 1921. 1917-1921 makes 5 years 
of resistance. In Romania the resistance collapsed in 1953 (and this 
with less western support than the Russian resistance got). 1945-1953 
makes 9 years of resistance. In short, your "eastern europe collaborated" 
garbage is just that, garbage. In both cases, there were isolated men 
who lived on in the forests and hills for far longer (the longest 
running one in Romania that I heard of finally got caught in 1971) but 
they were no real threat to the regime. 

> > You, and
> > all Russians, should be glad that world public opinion (and capitalist
> > purses) are so much kinder to you than it was to the Germans.
> 
> Frankly, I couldn't care less about whatever public opinion or purses
> (gees!!) you are talking about. 

I'll be sure to remember that the next time you sorry Russians come around 
with your begging bowls out. We all should remember.

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format, nor completing a collection of all important links has been
attempted. For more comprehensive WWW directories see, for example:
<http://www.hungary.com/hudir/>;, <http://www.hungary.com/hudir/>; or
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<http://www.hix.com/hungarian-faq/hungarian-faq/web>;, and its directory
has a few other documents and several links to other sites of
interest.

 The Hungarian Home Page is at
<http://www.fsz.bme.hu/hungary/homepage.html>; with links to the
registered Hungarian www servers, including

     - the Prime Minister's Office:  <http://www.meh.hu>; (overseas users
    please notice that the use of the <http://www.hungary.com/meh/>;
    mirror is requested to cut down transatlantic traffic!)

     - a weather forecast page (this is updated daily, and includes weather
    forecasts, meteorological maps, and METEOSAT satellite images; this
    page is in Hungarian)

     - home pages of Hungarian cities (currently Budapest, Debrecen,
    Miskolc, Pecs, Szeged), and of educational and other institutions=20

     - a comprehensive list of Hungarian telnet services (e.g. library=20
    databases), gopher and ftp sites (3.2). The content of almost all the=
=20
    Hungarian FTP sites is indexed and can be searched.

 The Hungary Online Directory (HUDIR) is at
<http://www.hungary.com/hudir/>; featuring a hierarchical
database of Hungarian online content worldwide. Currently it has links
in excess of 2500.

 HIX has a WWW server in the USA: the URL is <http://www.hix.com>;.
To check out fresh content, see <http://www.hix.com/friss2/>;, which
gives you a comprehensive table of content for new material arrived in
the last 24 hours (which is typically in the order of 100-150 pages).
Besides back issues of its email journals, and a plethora of other
files in Hungarian and English, it offers an on-line English-Hungarian,
Hungarian-English dictionary (<http://www.hix.com/hix/szotar/>; - its
European mirror is at <http://tpri6l.gsi.de/szotar.html>;), and various
home pages and pointers to other sources. Partial mirrors located in
Hungary are <http://www.eunet.hu/eunet/hix/>; (for the Magyar Narancs
archive), and <http://hal9000.elte.hu/hix/>; (for some pictures, and
searching the Radir database - see below).

 Hungary.Network - The GateWWWay to Hungary at
<http://www.hungary.com/>; has a number of government, commercial and
organizational users listed.

 TourInform is at <http://www.hungary.com/tourinform/>; is the service
of the Hungarian Tourism Service, the official promotion agency of the
Hungarian Tourist Board. They offer practical information, maps,
broshures and even tours on video casette.

 The Open Media Research Institute has a WWW server, available at
<http://www.omri.cz>;.  Available at this Web site are all back issues
of the Daily Digest, tables of contents for Transition, OMRI's
bi-weekly analytical journal, and information about OMRI's activities
and staff.

 The World Wide Web server of Central Europe Today is at the URL
<http://www.eunet.cz>;.

 Find back issues of the Hungary Report on the World Wide Web at=20
<http://www.yak.net/hungary-report/>; or <http://www.isys.hu/hol>;.=20
The Hungary-Online archive is available from=20
<http://www.yak.net/hungary-online/>; or <http://www.isys.hu/hrep>;=20
as well.

 There is a growing Hungarian resource directory at
<http://mineral.umd.edu/hir/>;. [The same server also hosts a
 "Hungarian Electronic Resources FAQ"<http://mineral.umd.edu/faq/>;.]

 There is a"Foreign Languages for Travellers"collection of essential
Hungarian expressions with English, German and French explanation,
complete with sound at
<http://insti.physics.sunysb.edu/~mmartin/languages/hungarian/hungarian.htm=
l>.

 The American Association of Young Hungarians (AAYH) has its homepage
at <http://www.aayh.org/>;.

 A Hungarian church in Chicago has info at
 <http://users.aol.com/MikeC16958/>;.

 The Gyorgy Bessenyei Teachers Training College (Nyiregyhaza) offers=20
some 3000 pages worth of database for Szabolcs-Szatmar-Bereg county=20
(Eastern Hungary) as well as other goodies and general Internet help,
in both Hungarian and English: <http://www.bgytf.hu/>;.

 See also section 2.3 above, which covers
<http://www.siliconvalley.com/>; and refers to other links as well.

 The following is a somewhat random working list, in HTML format,
of webpages of interest recently announced (which I haven't yet had
the time to check out or incorporate with further description):

<A HREF=3D"http://www.fsz.bme.hu/wn/">
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<A HREF=3D"http://users.deltanet.com/~kingavp/">
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<A HREF=3D"http://mason.gmu.edu/~achassel/index.html">
 "Historical Text Archive, Hungarian Images and Historical Background"> =09=
</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://members.aol.com/kfa4kuvasz/index.htm">
 "Kuvasz Fanciers of America" =09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.mkogy.hu/">
 "Magyar Orsz=E1ggy=FBl=E9si Hivatal" =09</A> <P>

<A HREF=3D"http://www.nepszabadsag.hu/">
 "Nepszabadsag Online"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.datanet.hu/szignum">
 "Szignum Media Hirlevel"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.enet.hu/clients/bohemelet/">
 "Bohemelet"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.hdsys.hu/">
 "Az Apple Computer Magyarorszagon"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://silicon.terra.vein.hu/sci/intro.html">
 "Utilapu Halozat - SCI Hungary"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.fornax.hu/napi/">
 "Napi Gazdasag On-Line"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.mhirlap.hu/">
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Subject: Genghis Khan Arrives On National Geographic
From:  (Peter Suciu)
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 18:53:02 GMT
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I'm posting this information because I thought you might be interested in
this Web site.  If you are not interested,
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*********************************************Genghis Khan Arrives On
National Geographic

Take a spirited ride across Mongolia in the footsteps of the legendary
warlord, Genghis Khan. Traveling with National
Geographic’s writer and photographer as they prepare stories for the
magazine, visit today’s herders of the vast steppe
in their tents and drink fermented mares milk, hear thrilling stories from
the writer and photographer in the field and
explore the life of this extraordinary warrior through an annotated time
line. 

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Erika Kiss > wrote 
> Szerintem Clinton megválasztasa leginkább két ténynek köszönhetö:
> 
> Egyrészt az emberek egyre közönyösebbek, amint azt az alacsony részvétel
is 
> mutatja. Másrészt nem találtak nála jobb jelöltet. Ime a reprezentativ 
> demokrácia eredménye.
> 
> Kérlek, javits ki ha tévedek!

En csak bedobtam az en elgondolasomat.  A Tied legalabb olyan jo.  Ki tudja
mit gondolt minden (kb. 40 millio) polgar aki a Clinton-ra szavazott?

A fo pontom az volt, hogy valasztasokat idegen erdekek meg tudjak venni. 
Es, hogy lehetne azt megakadalyozni Magyarorszagon?

Udv: Istvan

Sorry it's just a test

> ---------------------------------------------------------------
Cet article a ete poste via ( (EchO!) ) - http://echo.fr/News

 (Leszek Andrzej Kleczkowski) wrote:

>
>To all my knowledge, the Polish army was chasing the bolshies away from
>their dream encounter with comrade Luxemburg in Berlin.  I only wish they
>went all the way to Moscow...
>
Before the Red Army ever stepped on the proper Polish soil the Polish 
troops had to retreat from the Ukrainian territory -- so what did they
do there exactly? Saving the Ukrainians from the Reds or securing 
new territories? Ironically, Western Ukrainians must thank Stalin 
after all for _their_ dream come true --- otherwise they would be now 
Polish Ukrainians. :-)

Yuri

Dominus > wrote 
> Hi, Agnes, Istvan, everybody,
> don't you think, that most of these arguments are
> overwhelmingly tirening and repetitious? 

English:
What we need is a few new ideas to argue about.  I cannot do everything all
by myself.  How about you?
As a new topic, notice just how much more compact Hungarian is than
English?
I propose that Hungarian be the language of preference for international
conferences.

Magyar:
Kene egypar uj vita tema.  Ne varjatok, hogy mindent en csinaljak.  Neked
van uj otleted?
Uj tema, latjatok mennyivel tomorebb a magyar nyelv mint az angol?
Javaslom, hogy a magyar nyelvet hasznaljuk nemzetkozi ertekezleteken.  

Istvan