>>>>>Mai oameni buni, ma tot intreb cind o sa incetati odata cu polemica 

>>>>>asta sterila si fara sens intre romani si maghiari ?

Hey, Bud Weiser:

Look at it, it's really ugly. One doesn't have to major in Beauty, from 
Bucuresti University, too see that.

Buy yourself an island on the Black Sea and get lost.



<<< Never mind the dog, BEWARE of my WIFE >>>
Ancient (XI th Century) Rumanian proverb


Dr. Laszlo

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>Romania sucks.

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Yeah, no kidding. Tell us about it...


Livi: What are you doing here in the Hungarian section.
You belong with the Rumanians. Or is it an identity crisis with you ???

IF YOU DON'T BEHAVE, I'LL REALLY BUY YOU WINDOWS '95 !!!

Dr. Laszlo

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 (Laszlo Balogh) wrote:

>>>>>>Mai oameni buni, ma tot intreb cind o sa incetati odata cu polemica 
>>>>>>asta sterila si fara sens intre romani si maghiari ?

>Hey, Bud Weiser:

>Look at it, it's really ugly. 

If by "it" you meant a boring goulash-brain Dr.Laszlo, then we agree
on something.

>One doesn't have to major in Beauty, from 
>Bucuresti University, too see that.

Don't you worry! You wouldn't qualify for graduating from the
University of Caracal. And you know what happened at Caracal, don't
you?

>Buy yourself an island on the Black Sea and get lost.

You mean closer to Levedia or closer to Etelkoz? Anyhow, thanks for
not suggesting the Volga-centered Magna Hungaria.


Regards,

Liviu Iordache

> But the issue is not so much where folks like you lived, but the kind of
> deals they made with the system to achieve and maintain those privileges. 
Agreed. Some people made deals, some people didn't. 

> I am quite aware that one did not have to be a Party member to be part
> of the elite.  I knew quite a few such non-party members myself.
> However, I also know the good personal/social relationship of that
> non-Party elite with the Party big shots.  It was also a symbiotic
> relationship: one needed the other for maintaining a privileged life
> style, the other to legitimize its political power.  It was a very cozy
> relationship indeed.
As it happens, we didn't have any "Party big shots" in our circle of 
friends and acquantances. My parents didn't curry favors from such people
(and neither did I). There was indeed such a thing as party symbiotes. 
There were also people, members of the elite, who were not symbiotes. 
This blanket condemnation of everybody who does not share your views as
"apologists for the communists/Ka1da1rve1do3/Ka1da1r Jugend" just shows 
you to be rather uninformed in this matter. 
 
> Sure, but they never divested themselves of the privileges they obtained
> through their parents.  Just like the rebelling rich kids at Berkeley
> who still expected daddy to bail them out in case of trouble.
Some did and some didn't. Several emigrated, thereby divesting themselves 
from every privilege. 

> >simple reason that these people do not, contrary to what Joe says, try to 
> >hide their origins. 
> Oh really?  How many of those people who originally "founded" the SZALON
> list hinted anything of their pre-89 background?  Not that they HAD to,
> mind you, but I consider it odd that with the volume of exchanges on HIX
> where almost every concievable issue has been covered, including the
> backgrounds of favorite or hated politicians, your soul mates seem to be
> people without past.  
I think this is false. In the early days of FALI, nearly all people
knew each other from back in Hungary: the list was predominantly read
by math/computer science graduate students. They didn't have much of a
"pre-89" background, on account of age. 

> We see the same thing with regards to the former
> Party members whose number at the peak amounted to some 800,000, meaning
> that the chance is pretty high even in smaller groups to encounter at
> least one of them.  Yet they seem to have vanished.  I wonder where.
Joe, you really don't seem to understand. These people gravitated toward
math and the hard sciences precisely because it was an objective field, 
one where your accomplishments can't be pooh-poohed away by reference to
your alleged party connections. To stay in Hungary and advance along 
party lines was the exact opposite of the carrier choice they made. 

> Well, I think they are quite well represented on these Internet forums.
> I think they are the ones who protest the loudest when somebody wonders
> about their familiar name, asking if they are related to ...  by any chance.
I somehow doubt it. 

> What?  I can't believe my eyes.  After all it was exactly the Lex
> Zetenyi proposal (calling for some light retribution against former
> Communist criminals) over which the flame war on FORUM erupted, leading
> to the departure of the "let bygones be bygones" crowd to SZALON.
Joe, I think you have your chronology messed up. The Constitutional Court's
rejection of Ze1te1nyi-Taka1cs, which amounted to a clear victory of what you
call the "let bygones be bygones" crowd, slightly _preceded_ the departure of
the "let's not put up with this anymore" crowd (there was large overlap, but
the two "crowds" didn't coincide). As for this latter crowd, Z-T was far from
being "exactly" the reason why they left -- in fact the Z-T flame-war was one
of the better ones of the period, and the heavy artillery (Constitutional 
Court) supported our side, so Z-T played no role in the decision to depart.

The larger point, namely that the majority of Hungarian society is not 
eager to exact retribution, remains just as valid now as it was at the time.
At the time you thought this was a ploy or some rearguard action of the 
Ka1da1r Jugend. How many padded coats need to be elected to convince you 
otherwise? 

> It would also be interesting to find out who stirred that up after '88.
The leading culprits were Istva1n Csurka and Sa1ndor Csoo1ri, both of 
them still active politically.

> This does not seem to be an argument when it comes to octogenerian
> former Nazies.  Why do you think that is?
I don't see much of nazi-hunting fervor in the Hungarian polity. The old
nazis like Szendi get off pretty lightly, and so do the new ones like 
Albert Szabo1. The same is true world-wide: in the sixties or the 
seventies they would have executed Duyvendak (sp?), but in the ninties 
they let him go. 

> SZDSZ does a pretty good job on that on its own, thank you.
:-) 

Andra1s Kornai

On Sat, 29 Jun 1996, George Lazar wrote:

> Lately virtually all FORUM postings deal with "Jews". In fact, using
>Deja News I run a search on the word "zsido" and discovered that no FORUM
>issue has ever been posted without at least one reference to "Jews". -
>zsido

Fekete responded:

>This is an interesting finding, but the conclusion about the Forum
>isssues "ever" is incorrect - you should keep in mind that Dejanews only
>covers the recent period of the Forum when it has been crossposted to
>Usenet. The first few hundred issues of it, before its the current turn,
>were characterized with normal discourse with rarely mentioning 'zsido
>questions' that are so much on the mind of some contributors of late; you
>can check this in the HIX archive for the email era.

My observations:

HIX Forum, since 1990, shows three clearly different stages.
This is the direct consequence of two bad decisions by HIX
management, one is more catastrophic than the other.

First (till 1992) "HIX Forum" was a true and (for all Hungarians)
absolutely unprecendented "free press" platform for all. It clearly
helped many to get out of the monotony of "kadarjugend-talk" (that
brainwashed and bankrupt ideology). Many true democrats with decades
of experience wished that such free press took root and helped
Hungarians to evolve, to become a spiritually free and creative Nation,
again.

Of course, therein lied the danger -- and liberals soon realized
what a mortal danger the lack of censorship is, FOR THEM.

The first bad decision was therefore to create a ghetto-Forum ("SZALON"),
an outlet for ideas and ideology that would not withstand free press.
Szalon was accordingly protected by airtight censorship (liberals like
to fool themselves by calling censors "moderator").

Because of this bad decision of separating oil and water into distinct
jars, some sort of a commonly palatable concensus (a kind of salad-
dressing of its own) could no longer develop, but a polarization ensued.
Just like in the two Germany-s when an artificial barrier separated
free people from the ideological slaves who walled themselves in.

Although Hungary underwent a rapidly accelerating radicalization
ever since, during the HIX Forum's second stage antisemitism never
really manifested. (Gyorgy Fischer of Stockholm is a good judge of
that). Why? Because a strong patriotic and conservative presence kept
extreme (szajtepo) liberals and extreme rightists in a balance.
(Just as presently Torgyan keeps a balance between the SZDSZ and
the Szabo Albert/Tamas Gaspar Miklos brands of fascism).

As a second catastrophic decision, HIX management slammed down a not
only clearly unfair and uncalled for, but rather stupid censorship
on users of a whole Internet domain in late December of 1995: see

http://www.siliconvalley.com/nemzet/951226.html

By destroying the presence of a strongly patriotic and impeccably
conservative force, HIX-Forum, in its third stage ever since, (as
censorship is applied now openly and operates also by posing
existential threats on anyone not conforming to blue fascism)
HIX-Forum degenerated lately into a "Szalasi Fan-Club" where
antisemitism is only different from that exercised in HIX-Moka,
that it is somewhat less funny in Forum.

This totally undesirable result of the absence of Pellionisz and
others (myself included, in siliconvalley domain) is probably
the exact opposite from what the censor wanted! Siliconvalley-s
absence is not at the moment enforced by HIX - but once grossly unfair
censorhip was imposed anywhere, people with decency maintain at
best a token presence only on tainted platforms. And occasional
presence is apparently not enough force to keep a balance; to have
extremists in check.

Why is it important to ponder over this extremely clear trend
observed over several stages so far?

Because SZDSZ-fascists are presently bent on destroying, or at least
weakening, Torgyan (in a typical 180-degree turn, since they were the
ones to lift him from nowhere to prominence, to begin with!)
This will cause the exact same result as censoring out the centrist-
conservatives from HIX-Forum!  Torgyan's force can be called anything
but antisemite, this point is hardly debated. He would not have Timar
as one of his closest associates. Thus, by destroying or weakening
(even undercutting by manipulated "polls") that important pillar of
balance, Hungary will experience the exact same kind of surge
(only with a few orders of magnitude more force) that has shown up
in the test-tube of HIX-Forum.

You have been warned, HIX-management, and even more ardently
censorship-bent idiots.

In article >,
   Ivan Marinov > wrote:
>Peter Szaszvari wrote:
>
>> >There is only one valid definition of "good". 
>> This is too simple to my taste. I just don't believe it.
>
>Great things are simple.
>
>> To me good is always good for somebody or something and there
>> used to be somebody else to whom the same thing is just plain
>> bad.
>> I don't think that a good dinner for the lion is just as good 
for
>> the one who is getting eaten.
>
>We were talking about human beings, not animals.
>
>Ivan
 

Oh man, that's why it is so hard to argue with religious people. 
You know, not everything in life is meant one to one.
Try to think harder, maybe you will find a similar example 
between "human beeings".
BTW I thought "human beings" were capable to understand more than 
words.
I guess for you the Bible is only a pile of storryes, quite 
amusing, but without much meaning. A kind of hystory book isn't 
it?

But talking strictly about "human beings", would you be so kind 
and share with me the only true definition of "good" please?


Szaszvari Peter
(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)

In article >,
   Ivan Marinov > wrote:
[...]
>S meg elvarod hogy en veled kulturaltan beszeljek? Hat mit 
kepzelsz te 
>magadrol? Auschwitzben a helyed, nem a Interneten!
>
>Tovabbi kellemes idetlenkedest, mindig jokat nevetek rajtad, 
csak kar, 
>hogy az emberek azt hiszik, hogy ti vagytok a jobboldal, mert az 
bizony 
>nem vagytok: fasiszta allatok vagytok eros bolsevik orokseggel.
>
>Barcsak segitene rajtad Isten,
>
>Ivan

Szoval lehet hogy en sosem leszek egy jo kereszteny, de ennyire 
meg sosem tudtam felebarataimat "szeretni".

Felreertes ne essek, nem a masik felet vedem, de ezek a szavak 
nekem messze tul erosek. Talan ha jobban elmelyednek a 
Bibliaban...

Nincs ehhez egy szava egy igazi keresztenynek?


Szaszvari Peter
(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)

"Zoli Fekete, keeper of hungarian-faq" > wrote:

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>On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, Nagy Peter wrote:
>> Nem tartom kizartnak hogy a karakterek kozul legalabb egy Csorna vagy
>> Egyed alteregoja.

> Itt implicite feltetelezed, hogy az accountok es valodi szemelyek kozott
>egy-az-egybeni megfeleltetes lenne, ami nem latszik megalapozott
>feltevesnek. Valoszinubb, hogy megosztva hasznaljak oket; erre utalo
>jelkent lasd peldaul a stilusbeli eltereseket 

	Azt hiszem Zolinak igaza van. Az egyik Szucs Andras hetvegi iromany
nem hangzik "igazi" Szucs Andrasnak.

	Balogh Eva

 (Peter Szaszvari) irta:

>Szoval lehet hogy en sosem leszek egy jo kereszteny, de ennyire 
>meg sosem tudtam felebarataimat "szeretni".
>
>Felreertes ne essek, nem a masik felet vedem, de ezek a szavak 
>nekem messze tul erosek. Talan ha jobban elmelyednek a 
>Bibliaban...
>
>Nincs ehhez egy szava egy igazi keresztenynek?

Na, jo, hogy a keresztenyseget a fasisztak mellett a liberalisok is 
nagyon nem kedvelik, igy mindenki lathatja, hogy erdekkozosseg all fenn 
az ateistak kulonfele valtozatai kozott...

Bocsass meg, de nekem a lelkiismeretem azt diktalja, hogy ne huzodjak 
felve hatra, amikor valaki embertelen es istentelen elveket terjeszt. Hol 
irja szerinted a Biblia, hogy nyugodton torjuk a fasisztak es egyeb 
ateistak idetlenkedeseit? Lelkiismeretlnsegnek tartanam hagyni a sok 
mocskot. 

Miert van az, hogy az ateistak, s foleg pedig a liberisok ugy kepzelik el 
a keresztenyt, mint egy egesz nap templomban ulo, Bibliat olvaso embert, 
aki fel barmirol is velemenyt mondani?

Ivan

In article >,
   Ivan Marinov > wrote:
>
>Na, jo, hogy a keresztenyseget a fasisztak mellett a liberalisok 
is 
>nagyon nem kedvelik, igy mindenki lathatja, hogy erdekkozosseg 
all fenn 
>az ateistak kulonfele valtozatai kozott...
>
>Bocsass meg, de nekem a lelkiismeretem azt diktalja, hogy ne 
huzodjak 
>felve hatra, amikor valaki embertelen es istentelen elveket 
terjeszt. Hol 
>irja szerinted a Biblia, hogy nyugodton torjuk a fasisztak es 
egyeb 
>ateistak idetlenkedeseit? Lelkiismeretlnsegnek tartanam hagyni a 
sok 
>mocskot. 
>
>Miert van az, hogy az ateistak, s foleg pedig a liberisok ugy 
kepzelik el 
>a keresztenyt, mint egy egesz nap templomban ulo, Bibliat olvaso 
embert, 
>aki fel barmirol is velemenyt mondani?
>
>Ivan

Nekem a fasisztazas az interneten mindig tul eros lesz. A valodi 
fasisztak nem cyberlenyek.
De tegyuk fel, hogy itt fasisztak erdeje levelezget, akkor egy jo 
keresztenynek az a dolga, hogy mindenkit lefasisztazzon?

Hallottam valamit gugyogni:
"Ne itelj..." valahogy igy kezdodott.

Maganvelemenyem, hogy a hulyeseg meg nem kvalifikal a 
fasisztasagra, csak fontos feltetel. A megjelent irasokbol 
viszont csak az elobbi bizonyithato.


Szaszvari Peter
(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)

soc.culture.magyar
[3] Cred ca e cazul ca toti Romanii, Maghiarii si alti Binevoitori sa 
discute altfel



>>>Mai oameni buni, ma tot intreb cind o sa incetati odata cu polemica 
asta 
>>>sterila si fara sens intre romani si maghiari ?
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Livi:

If you don't behave, I'll buy you Windows '95 !!!


Why the the ice cream licked back? ...
Because the dumpling ate the duck, too.


(Between you and me... your language really, really, really looks bad)

<<<Never mind the dog, BEWARE of my WIFE! >>>    Ancient (XXth Century) 

... Rumanian proverb ...

Dr. Laszlo

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On Sat, 29 Jun 1996, George Lazar wrote:

> Lately virtually all FORUM postings deal with "Jews". In fact, using
>Deja News I run a search on the word "zsido" and discovered that no FORUM
>issue has ever been posted without at least one reference to "Jews". -
>zsido

 This is an interesting finding, but the conclusion about the Forum
isssues "ever" is incorrect - you should keep in mind that Dejanews only
covers the recent period of the Forum when it has been crossposted to
Usenet. The first few hundred issues of it, before its the current turn,
were characterized with normal discourse with rarely mentioning 'zsido
questions' that are so much on the mind of some contributors of late; you
can check this in the HIX archive for the email era. 

- --
 Zoli , keeper of <http://www.hix.com/hungarian-faq/>;
*SELLERS BEWARE: I will never buy anything from companies associated
*with inappropriate online advertising (unsolicited commercial email,
*excessive multiposting etc), and discourage others from doing so too!


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T.M.Lutas ) wrote:
: > it's just that the ones that give a damn have spent
: > their last 50 years talking about it. it's kinda tiresome,
: So nobody under lets say 30 really gives a damn do they? I'm sorry but 
: at 27 I give a damn and I doubt that I'm the only one on the planet. 
: Come off it. The idea that only old fogeys care about communism, history, 
: or justice is more than a bit patronizing, it's downright insulting. 

I think he meant romanians as a nation and not as individuals, a
collective conscience and not an individual one.
Regards, 
Cristian Chelariu

 (Laszlo Balogh) wrote:

>Livi: What are you doing here in the Hungarian section.
>You belong with the Rumanians. Or is it an identity crisis with you ???

The moron-hunting season is officially open. How does it feel to be
hunted?

Regards,

Liviu Iordache

 (Laszlo Balogh) wrote:

>If you don't behave, I'll buy you Windows '95 !!!

Yeah, OK, whatever.... But first learn how to x-post and then buy
yourself a pacifier. And remember, you don't suck you swallowI
Finally, write 10 times: "Dr.Laszlo is a humorless idiot."

Enough said! Since I'm in a generous mood today, consider yourself
lucky.

Regards,

Liviu Iordache

Zoli Fekete, keeper of hungarian-faq > wrote:
> Hasonloan az alnevekkel valo jatszadozas (altalaban osszekotve a 
>"liberalbolsik" altali uldozottseg fonalaval) is regi lemez.

Gondolom itt a "Karesz" figura FURUMbeli elterelo hadmuveszre utalsz
aki valami c2.org domainrol humorizal.

PJ

In article >,
   Penio Penev > wrote:


>On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, Peter Szaszvari wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>>    Ivan Marinov - Maximilian Valenski > wrote:
>> >There is only one valid definition of "good". 
>> 
>> This is too simple to my taste. I just don't believe it. 
>> To me good is always good for somebody or something and there 
>> used to be somebody else to whom the same thing is just plain 
>> bad.
>> I don't think that a good dinner for the lion is just as good 
for 
>> the one who is getting eaten.
>
>This is exatly why our society designates "man" as a special 
species, and
>forbids men killing men.  This is exactly the reason lions don't 
go to
>court, or to jail, and the reason why rabbits don't have credit 
cards. 
>
>It hasn't always been like that, but the world is evolving.
>



That's good. Gut could you share with me the tre definition of 
"good" please. Thanks in advance.


Szaszvari Peter
(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)

In article >,
   Ivan Marinov > wrote:
>1. We are not brainwashed. You liberals are brainwashed. 
Christians are 
>100 % free.

100% free of free thinking of your own.

>
>2. If we get lost, then communists, fascists, liberals and other 
atheists 
>will come in our place. Do you want this? Look what happened in 
Germany 
>and Russia. Do you want that?
>
>Ivan

Who told you that Germans or Russians were not Christians?
Were not Christians killing in big numbers to "convince" others 
about "love"?

My opinion is very similar to John Lennon's.

Countries and religions are only to give reasons to people to 
kill each other.


Szaszvari Peter
(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)

In article >,
    (Ludo Segers) wrote:
>In article >, "Crispín 
Escalante G."
> wrote:
>
>> Please E-mail me translation 3 words
>> Thank you
>
>In Dutch: Ik zie je graag 
>or : Ik hou van je

CAN YOU IDIOTS SPELL: "E-MAIL" (and not post)?


Szaszvari Peter
(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)

You seem stupid.  Stop posting articles and filling the newsgroup with
your fucking commentaries on hungarians. I don't give a shit about what
you think, so fuck off!!!!!

Deja ya de tocar los cojones hijo de puta, estoy harto de ver como llenas
el newsgroup magyar con tu puta mierda. Vete a tomar por culo, que te den,
maricon. Dejanos a los demas en paz. Nos importa una mierda lo que tu pienses,
asi que si entiendes espańol:


     Q U E   T E   D E N    P O R    C U L O !!!
     Q U E   T E   D E N    P O R    C U L O !!!
   
     F U C K    O F F,  B A S T A R D ! ! !
     F U C K    O F F,  B A S T A R D ! ! !

On Mon, 01 Jul 96 08:11:40 GMT,  (Peter
Szaszvari) wrote:

>In article >,
>    (Ludo Segers) wrote:
>>In article >, "Crispín 
>Escalante G."
> wrote:
>>
>>> Please E-mail me translation 3 words
>>> Thank you
>>
>>In Dutch: Ik zie je graag 
>>or : Ik hou van je
>
>CAN YOU IDIOTS SPELL: "E-MAIL" (and not post)?
>
>
>Szaszvari Peter
>(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)
>
>
Peter, you should be a very big bastard to allow yourself to treat
idiots so many people ...
We're far from the subject now, aren't we ? :-)

 wrote:

>Szegyen, hogy akiknek fogalmuk sincs arrol, hogy Toth Joska ba'
>sokkal tobb tiszteletet erdemel, mit meg nem engednek maguknak
>egy szamukra ismeretlen emberrol valo hitvany megnyilatkozasaikban.

<etc. etc. etc.
>Dr. Pellionisz Andras

	Pellionisz, Csorna, Egyed, tisztara mindegy, hogy ki, mi is illeto
igazi neve, nem hiszem, hogy normalis. Ha On/Onok a magyar
jobboldalnak akarnak jo propagandat csinalni az Interneten, higyjek
el, hogy ennek eppen az elenkezojezet erik el. Meg olyan emberek is,
akik konzervativabb felfogasuk, fel vannak haborodva az On/Onok
modszerein.

	Balogh Eva

Peter Szaszvari wrote:

> But talking strictly about "human beings", would you be so kind
> and share with me the only true definition of "good" please?

Good is what is in harmony with God.

Ivan

In article >,
   Ivan Marinov > wrote:

>Good is what is in harmony with God.
>
>Ivan

Which one?


Szaszvari Peter
(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)

In article >,
    (Laszlo Balogh) wrote:
>It comes as no surprise to us, Megorov has left the Kalashikov 
State 
[...]
>
>Dr. Laszlo 
>
>
You seem to be very angry on this idiot that you post the same 
not to funny post severel times.
If nobody then I tell you: it is not a good but a bad idea.


Szaszvari Peter
(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)

Philanthropists, ---  an option

Are you a philanthropist by nature but lack the deep pockets to become 
involved in most philanthropic causes?  I was to.  And then I found 
GANC.  Here is a no smoke only facts rundown.

GANC is a very new organization that is still in prelaunch.
GANC is set up as a Pure Trust that has governmental sovereignty. (USA)
You pick the charity you want to help- anywhere worldwide
You choose how much of your paycheck they will receive (10% to 100%)
There are about 50 people in now with small groups started in Phoenix, 
Texas, Michigan, California, Illinois, England, Australia, Belgium, and 
Argentina and Canada are close.     Who will be next?  
This opportunity will be sent world wide.  Help us find only 3 other 
people.
You will receive a monthly newsletter to tell of our progress and goals 
once we officially launch.  We want this to grow through word of mouth.  
We do  not want "net spamming".  Just 3.  We will ask them to do the 
same thing.  
Join GANC (Global Assistance Network for Charities) for $50 per month.  
That is $1.66 per day. US

You will be paid $40 per person you enroll or refer to GANC that joins.
 If you would like to enroll more than 3 that is fine.
You can make a few hundred dollars per month by simply telling a few 
people about us.  Through small consistent steps you can establish a 
very comfortable monthly income at this early stage in the existence of 
an organization that has a world wide audience and such a well received 
program.  GANC is set up as a 3 X 8 FORCED matrix.  We will build your 
group for you, your participation is the key.
We encourage our new members to simply find 3 others.  These are usually 
friends and relatives, and help them with 3. Just cover your cost and 
know you are helping give to the charities of the world, while leaving 
yourself open to opportunity with future growth.  We are looking for 
leaders.

Are you willing to break away from the herds of people who say every 
day, "if I were only presented with a good opportunity" or "I would like 
to help out (X Charity) because I believe in them, but I just don't have 
the money"?  If you are, join hands with us at GANC.  After all where do 
the herds go without a leader?  They wonder around aimlessly in the 
valleys until either winter or drought kills them off.  Will you be a 
leader with me and rescue the herds?  Email me for details and payout 
breakdown. 

Please type "GANC" in the subject line.
----
Thad Kaylor

EMail:

 wrote:
> 
> Dear Mr. Laszlo Horvath/Craig Livingstone/Tamas Gaspar Miklos/
> Andras Kornai/Piros Laszlo. Please let me respond to your latter
> "apparently, from Laszlo Horvath", in kind:
> 
> I am sorry for being confused about your multiple personality
> and will definitely apologize, once you submit to me IRS returns
> for the last five years for all personalities above, to prove that
> you are each separate. 

Touche Andras:
That's a pretty good parody. I hope I don't have to submit, especially to 
you, all that extensive documentation to prove that I am not one of those 
multiple personalities of Kornai. I am an easier case than 
Szucs/Toth/Pellionisz. You and I have met already at a number of times at 
various Hungarian gatherings in the Bay Area (Woodside Priory, Reformatus 
templom in Redwood City, Magyar Haz in San Francisco, or even at the 
pickniks in Flood Park. At least I remember. Well, next time, when we 
both will be present at some place I'll try to remind you.
Actually, if you ever have any business on the Stanford Campus come by 
the Hoover Tower building and look me up (Room 115, phone: 725-3426) and
I will give you a grand tour of the Hoover complex.
No hard feelings, I appreciate people with a sense of humor. I really 
liked the one you wrote in defense of poor Toth Jozsi bacsi. You've made 
him come alive. Of course, "my sharp reaction" was an equally put-up job.
Sincerely, Laszlo Horvath (who has heard of Kornai, saw Kornai once or 
twice but, alas, haven't actually met him)

In article >,
Peter Szaszvari > wrote:
>
[stuff deleted]

>Hallottam valamit gugyogni:
>"Ne itelj..." valahogy igy kezdodott.
>
[stuff deleted]
>
>Szaszvari Peter
>(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)
>
En meg azt hallottam, hogy:
"Vetkesek kozt cinkos aki nema."
GK

Peter Szaszvari wrote:

> De tegyuk fel, hogy itt fasisztak erdeje levelezget,

Ezt nem mondtam :-)

> akkor egy jo
> keresztenynek az a dolga, hogy mindenkit lefasisztazzon?

Nincs ilyen dolga. A legtobb keresztenyt a politika egyaltalan nem 
erdekli. En egyszeruen egy olyan ember vagyok, akit a politika IS 
erdekel. Ez biztos hiba, dehat en sosem tartottam magam hibatlannak.

> Hallottam valamit gugyogni:
> "Ne itelj..." valahogy igy kezdodott.

Egy az itelet, mas a velemenykifejezes.

> Maganvelemenyem, hogy a hulyeseg meg nem kvalifikal a
> fasisztasagra, csak fontos feltetel. A megjelent irasokbol
> viszont csak az elobbi bizonyithato.

Hat lehet, hogy ebben neked van igazad. Tobben is mondtak (keresztenyek), 
hogy minek foglalkozom ilyesmikkel. Egyre inkabb azt hiszem, hogy nekik 
van igazuk, s ezert a jovoben fontosabb kerdesekre fogok koncentralni.

Ivan

 (Peter Szaszvari) wrote:

>>Good is what is in harmony with God.

>Which one?

There's only one true God.

Ivan