Kedves Olvaso!

Tul draga az ideje, tul dragak az ujsagok ahhoz, hogy figyelemmel
kiserje a hazai es kulfoldi sajto magyar es magyar vonatkozasu
hireit? Pl. nincs ideje elolvasni a Demokratat, Uj Magyarorszagot,
Magyar Hirlapot, Magyar Nemzetet, Nepszavat, Nepszabadsagot (stb)
megis osszefoglalo kepet akar kapni a napi- es hetisajtorol?
Sot; nem jaratja ugyan a (meregdraga) Wall Street Journalt, megis
ismerni akarja milyen magyar vonatkozasu cikkek jelennek meg abban
es mas vezeto vilaglapokban?

A hazafias szellemu "Nemzet" c. "Magyar Internet Vilaglap" minden
munkanapon megjelenik. Tobbnyire magyar nyelven, de eredeti
angol forrasokat is tartalmazva, az On kivansagara eljuttatja az On
komputerebe naponta a par perc alatt attekintheto formaba tomoritett
hireket, erdekessegeket, szenzaciokat. (Utobbira pelda a sorozatban
kozolt Szatmari "[Majdnem] Halott ujsagiro nem hazudik" c. konyve,
rendkivuli politikai erdekessegekkel).

On talan mar hallott is kulonfele allitasokat a nagy erdeklodest
felkeltett "Nemzet"-rol, hiszen lapunkrol, mint az Internet uj
szenzaciojarol, meg a legolvasottabb napilap, a "Nepszabadsag" is
cikkezett! De semmi sem helyettesiti az On szemelyes meggyozodeset.

INGYENES "MEGRENDELES":

Ha a "Nemzet"-et kozonseges e-mail hirlevelkent kivanja kapni
(termeszetesen ingyen), kuldje be az alabbi kerest:

cim:         <<---
temakent: akarmi
leveltorzsbe: akarmi

(Ha tetszesenek a "Nemzet" mutatvanyszamai nem felelnenek meg,
barmikor lemondhatja a Magyar Internet Vilaglapot az alabbi
utasitassal:
mail to: 
subject: akarmi
leveltorzsbe: akarmi)

Igen, a "Nemzet" elerheto a "World Wide Web"-en is! Eleresi helye:
http://www.siliconvalley.com/nemzet.html         <<---

Adjon nekunk alkalmat arra, hogy a "Nemzet"-tel a Nemzetnek
elsokezbol bemutatkozhassunk!


Tisztelettel:

Toth Jozsef
a "Nemzet" Kiadoja es
Szerkesztobizottsaganak elnoke

Subj:	Re: HUNGARIAN LANGUAGE
Date:	96-06-21 09:34:43 EDT
From:	 (M.M.Wester)
To:	 (MEgorov)

In article > you write:
>From:  (MEgorov)
>Subject: HUNGARIAN LANGUAGE
>Date: 14 Jun 1996 23:13:07 -0400

>CONTRY: Hungary
>CULTURE:Non  European
>RACE:      Non  European ( Mongolic Turk)
>RELIGION: (Inpoused) Cristian
>HISTORY: Play the role of mercenarys (Very relible for Austrans)
>ECONOMY: Dependening on Austria,GERMANY
>POLACY:  Commanded by  AUSTRO-GERMANS
>FUTURE:   Unknown
2
Of the eight characteristics you add on Hungary, Hungarian language and/or

culture, you sadly miss six right answers.
- The Hungarian culture IS a European culture; after all, Hungarians have 
lived in Europe for exactly 1100 years now. Isn't that enough for you?
- The Hungarian race IS a European race. In 1100 years people of (perhaps)

darker skins interfear with light-coloured Slavs and Germans. Mixtures is 
the logical consequence. In every way, Hungarians are NOT of a Mongolic
Turk 
race. What makes you think so? The 'roots' of the Hungarian people lie in 
the Urals. That makes Hungarians a Uralic people, with a Uralic language. 
Nothing Mongolic Turk with that.
- The Hungarian history is European history. It were the Hungarians, who 
saved Europe from the Turkish and the Tartaric dangers. The only role the 
Hungarians could have played, is the role of victims. Because we WERE 
victims throughout history.
- The Hungarian religion is NOT imposed Christianity; the Hungarian people

was Christianised as early as the year 1000 AD.
- The Hungarian economy is a complete free market-economy by now.
- The Hungarian politics are dominated by issues, not by other countries. 
Have you ever been in the country? Or rather, have you ever been in
another 
country outside yours? Do you know what a democratic country is?
Do you happen to know anything about Hungary? Guess not. So, please, don't

write nonsense.

CU,

	Ferenc.

Today is the 173th day of 1996 with 193 remaining.
    The moon is a waxing crescent, moving towards its first quarter. (07)
    The morning stars are Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn.
    There are no evening stars.
    Those born on this date are under the sign of Gemini.

Maya Long Count: 12. 19. 3. 4. 13.  BOLON-Ben UACLAHUN Zotz
Mexica: MACTLACTLI-Tecpatl. CHICONAHI-Acatl Pachtontli CAXTOLLI
Otomi: RETA-Aneyaxi. GUTHO-Anxithi. Anttzenboxegui RETAK-UTA
Purepecha Uexurini: 10-Tzhinapu. Huryiyata: 9-Isimba. Kutsi: Charapu zapi 15
Zapotec: CAACHE-Pija. CAA-Quij. Cocijo: TOBI-Lana. Cocij: TOBI-Zee.
    Viernes 21 de Junio de 1996
Today is the Saint's Day for Luis Gonzaga

1260 Years Ago, in 736:
    [9.15.4.16.11] Lord Shield-Jaguar of Yaxchilan enacts a flapstaff
    event.

465 Years Ago, in 1531:
    Spanish colonizers arrive in Iztachichimicapan (now San Juan del Rio, Qro.)

Long live the Jaguar dynasty of Yaxchilan! Yaaaaaaaaay!

 () writes:

>Could it be that good old M. O. Dima's account (and perhaps job) was
>also terminated because of his strange views?  Of course, I understand
>that in cases like this the official reason given for the dismissal is
>not the views themselves, but the illegal use of employer's resources.
>However, the use of such resources is usually scrutinized only after
>some political opponent (usually a follower of the politically correct
>line) rats on the guy to his employers.

>Joe Pannon

Joe,

The event that you seem to talk about recently happened indeed, just in case
"recently" also means 14 months on the time scale that you may want to use.
	The person whom this event stemmed from does not, however, meet your
criteria, I reckon. The rationale of what happened is deeper than how you think
it might be. I have the email proof in English and there are also some persons 
in this world having it. I would still like to not consider this event as
relevant for the Romanian community, since that person is an American, although
still speaking the same maternal language as the other good old person whom you
refer to above. And, certainly, I'm left but to at least do hope that things 
like these do not occur in the Hungarian community. 
	I do not know all the contents of Dima's postings, nor do I know him, 
or the others who have that proof, personally, so that it is not compulsorily
that I perfectly agree with any of Dima's actions, ideas, views, or postings. I
am only against the approaches to victimize "even guys like him", especially
when this happens between people who at least used to speak the same maternal
language. This is why I would like to hear somewhat differently from your
community.
	Don't try to find out the truth, Joszef! You will stir up the passions,
the storm in a glass of water. I myself had enough from many people speaking 
the same maternal language as me. simply because I simply dared to defend the
truth and the justice "even for guys like him".

Please, let's move on to the next topic!

Minden jo't!

Eddie

Dear friend,
     Can you help us? This is "Persona-theatrum" from Moscow (Russia).
Our theatre is patronaged by Moskow State University called by Lomono-
sov,  the greatest,  oldest and famous Russian university. The theatre
was found in 1992. Tatiana Ponomareva is our director-produser. In ma-
jority we are the young people before 30 years old. So we are apperta-
ining as to the youth category as to the  professional.  "Persona"  is
drama theatre not music show. We had been put on 4 performances:
     N.Mackiavelly "The Mandragora"
     T.Gofman "The sandy creature"
     "Homo feriens" (by medievel poem)
     "Another play" (adaptation of William Congreve's play "The Double
Dealer")
     and now  we  are working on Shakespear's "Cymbeline".  We perform
Shakespear's and Congrive's play in English too. We took part in "Are-
na"  festival at Erlangen (Nurnberg) We want to establish a communica-
tion with people who organize festivales or touring of youth  or  pro-
fessional  dramatic theatres in the world and will be glad to hear so-
mething for trying to take part in it.  Thank you for your compassion.
We can send video,  foto and other materiales for more information
when it will be need.

     We  shell be glad to hear from you by e-mail 

                             Sincerely yours,

                                      Director Natasha Zaroshchinskaya
                                     "Persona-Theatrum"
                                      Moscow, Russia

Kedves Olvaso!

Tul draga az ideje, tul dragak az ujsagok ahhoz, hogy figyelemmel
kiserje a hazai es kulfoldi sajto magyar es magyar vonatkozasu
hireit? Pl. nincs ideje elolvasni a Demokratat, Uj Magyarorszagot,
Magyar Hirlapot, Magyar Nemzetet, Nepszavat, Nepszabadsagot (stb)
megis osszefoglalo kepet akar kapni a napi- es hetisajtorol?
Sot; nem jaratja ugyan a (meregdraga) Wall Street Journalt, megis
ismerni akarja milyen magyar vonatkozasu cikkek jelennek meg abban
es mas vezeto vilaglapokban?

A hazafias szellemu "Nemzet" c. "Magyar Internet Vilaglap" minden
munkanapon megjelenik. Tobbnyire magyar nyelven, de eredeti
angol forrasokat is tartalmazva, az On kivansagara eljuttatja az On
komputerebe naponta a par perc alatt attekintheto formaba tomoritett
hireket, erdekessegeket, szenzaciokat. (Utobbira pelda a sorozatban
kozolt Szatmari "[Majdnem] Halott ujsagiro nem hazudik" c. konyve,
rendkivuli politikai erdekessegekkel).

On talan mar hallott is kulonfele allitasokat a nagy erdeklodest
felkeltett "Nemzet"-rol, hiszen lapunkrol, mint az Internet uj
szenzaciojarol, meg a legolvasottabb napilap, a "Nepszabadsag" is
cikkezett! De semmi sem helyettesiti az On szemelyes meggyozodeset.

INGYENES "MEGRENDELES":

Ha a "Nemzet"-et kozonseges e-mail hirlevelkent kivanja kapni
(termeszetesen ingyen), kuldje be az alabbi kerest:

cim:         <<---
temakent: akarmi
leveltorzsbe: akarmi

(Ha tetszesenek a "Nemzet" mutatvanyszamai nem felelnenek meg,
barmikor lemondhatja a Magyar Internet Vilaglapot az alabbi
utasitassal:
mail to: 
subject: akarmi
leveltorzsbe: akarmi)

Igen, a "Nemzet" elerheto a "World Wide Web"-en is! Eleresi helye:
http://www.siliconvalley.com/nemzet.html         <<---

Adjon nekunk alkalmat arra, hogy a "Nemzet"-tel a Nemzetnek
elsokezbol bemutatkozhassunk!


Tisztelettel:

Toth Jozsef
a "Nemzet" Kiadoja es
Szerkesztobizottsaganak elnoke

Amennyire orias respektussal vagyok Gyuri batyamhoz, oly nagy
elkeseredessel kell latnom, hogy az O nemes nemzedeket (Teller
Edevel es sok massal egyetemben) mintha valami vacuum horribile
kovetne. Az o igazi magyar erzuletuk ujabb generacioikbol
mintha tokeletesen hianyozna. Szerintem onekik faj ez legjobban.

Pedig az a bizonyos trauma nem az agyvizuket otpercenkent felkapkodo
feherzoknis belvarosi internaci ifjutitanokat erte, hanem azon
pontosan OK, a Nagy Oregek, mentek keresztul -- s lam, az o
magyarsaguk toretlen!

Ennel hubb testament nem kell, hogy a par evtizeden at
nagypiszkoskodo szuleik mellett bojtarkent kispiszkoskodo
kadarjugend ROSSZ LELKIISMERETE az, amelyet ok (felmenoik velt
vagy valos szenvedeseit heveny tulliheges es az ezeregyeves
Magyarorszag legkesobb holnaputanra valo "kitalalasa" kozepette,
a mai felnott -es teljesen artatlan- generacion) "megtorolnak".

Gyuri batyam irasabol atsut az igaz felhaborodas. Ennek
fenyeben teljesen mindegy, hogy piszlicsare nuanszokban
esetleg nem teljesen azonos konkluzionk - hiszen a diagnozis
identikus. Spiro Gyorgy elleni eljaras-inditas szerintem sem
fer ossze a szabad sajto altalunk vallott, demokraciat nem-
csak ohajtva-sejto, de azt megtapasztalt, meglett emberek
sarkalatos elvevel. Konkluziojaban Gyuri batyam mintha picit
elnezte volna, hogy ezert nem is Spiro Gyorgynek cimeztem "nyilt
levelemet", hanem Goncz Arpadnak, es nem is azert mert Spiro
gyalazkodott, hanem azert mert a gyalazkodas teljes szoveget
KOZPENZZEL JUTALMAZTAK. Ez egy olyan alapvetseg, mint
mondjuk az hogy ha egy pufajkas gyilkos tetezi amugyis halalos
buneit avval hogy konnyeden szazmillios palotat epit KOZPENZEKBOL,
mig mellekkorulmenykent rautalo magatartast tanusit arra, hogy
a nemzet nagyobb resze (melyet esetleg nem rekeszt ki orokre
a nemzetfogalombol) esetleg sok-sok evtizedre nyomorba doljon.

E konkluzionkbol senki egy szemernyit sem tud "levitatkozni"
meg a leghevenyebb elektronikus hochmecolassal sem, minthogy
az adofizetok penzet az adofizetok tobbsege ELLEN
felhasznalnia semmilyen rendszerben senkinek semmilyen
korulmenyek kozott sem szabad!

Gyuri batyamat talan kicsit megkavarta, hogy gyengeden
felhivtam Goncz figyelmet arra (is), hogy a vitathatatlan
KOZPENZEK NEMZETHEZ HUTLEN KEZELESE mellett sajat torveny-
ujitasat, a hirhedt "gyulolettorvenyt" is alkalmaznia
kellene Spiro Gyorggyel szemben, ha mar Goncz Apo hisz abban
a jogi abszurdumban (amiben en nem, s amelyet szerintem
majdani Dilettantika Tanszekek iskolapeldakent okitanak), hogy
szerinte ERZELMEKET lehet/szabad buntetni. (A vilag normalis
resze szerint ugyanis csak TETTEKET lehet/szabad buntetni, meg
gondolatokat, szandekokat sem, erzelmeket, plane azok kivaltasara
ALKALMAS fittyfenet, pedig EGYALTALAN NEM).

Gyuri batyam -Spiro gyalazkodasa folotti elemi felhaborodasaban-
talan ama finom distinkcio folott is elsiklott, hogy en kimondottan
Spiro Gyorgy NIVODIJAT (annak is KOZPENZBOL FIZETETT VOLTAT)
serelmeztem, nem pedig magat az "alkotast" biraltam. Hiszen
az arra nem melto. A kozdij pedig az iromany EGESZET illette (ezert
is tiltakozott Spiro a cenzurakihagyasok miatt!) -- tehat teljesen
kozombos a kozpenzek nemzethez hutlen kezelese tekinteteben, hogy
a Kekradio egyik kezevel dijazott, masikkal cenzurazott (nem tudja
az egyik balkez, mit csinal a masik...) -es az ominozus am dijazott
reszletek nem hangzottak el, "csak" kinyomtattak pl. a Kekradio
"Pagoda" c. lapjaban, Spiro nyomasara.

Egyetertunk, hogy pro forma a Kekradio komisszarja a legnagyobb
vetkes, csakhogy borso falrahanyasabol kimerult mar az erre es
a kovetkezo evezredekre beutemezett keszletem. Elo tehat a
hires "the buck stops here" tablaval, s ussunk vele ket patkanyt
agyon egy csapassal; a nyilt level rogzitse az odiumot a Hankiss
ugyben goebbelsque-orwellian Radiofuhrerre vetemedett Koztarsasagi
Apon, s ugyanakkor csinaljunk bohocot a "Jogallamot"  "Erzelem-
rendorallamra" muferdito bot- es bortoncsinalta jogtudorbol is.

T. Kocsis  > wrote:
>
>Nem, bar az nem jelenti azt, hogy nem leteznek. Ennek
>ellenere szerintem ez valami svindli.

Persze, hogy az!  Lefogadnam, hogy valami piramis sema van az egesz
mogott.  Az egesz Internet tele van ezekkel csalasokkal, tehat erdemes
vigyazni.

PJ

You can also catch her with some of the other big names in the Hungarian
folk music world in the opening sequence of the film Music Box (easily
available on video).

Valamivel tobb, mint egy eve hagytam fel a FORUMba valo irassal Hollosi
alabbi figyelmeztetese utan, amit nyilvan Szekely Zoli egy ottani,
SZALONt es a moderatort kritizalo cikke valtott ki:

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A SZALON megitelese nem tartozik a FORUMra, amely egy _politikai_ vitaforum.
A Moderator megsertese a HIXrol valo kizarassal jarhat...

Jozsi. /HIX/

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Erre en a kovetkezo megjegyzest irtam a masnapi FORUM szamba, amit
vegulis Hollosi kicenzurazott egy elegge fenyegeto megjegyzessel:

> =======================================================
> Felado : Pannon Jozsef
> E-mail : 
> Temakor: A HIXrol es egyebekrol ( 38 sor )
> Idopont: Wed May  3 23:38:42 EDT 1995 FORUM #1615
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Kedves Hollosi druszam!

Az alabbi ukazoddal kapcsolatban:

>A SZALON megitelese nem tartozik a FORUMra, amely egy _politikai_ vitaforum.

Nem emlekszem, hogy valaha is hasonlo dorgedelmeket irtal volna a SZALONba
a FORUM ottani megiteleserol.  Pedig ott maskepp nem is szoktak emlegetni a
FORUMot mint valamifele nemzeti ko~pko~do"t.  Tudtommal a FORUM is
 _politikai_ vitaforum, nem?   Vagy ezzel is ugy vagyunk, mint a 99-soros
limittel?  Nem egyforma mercevel merunk?  Jo, jo, tudom, tied a HIX, s azt
csinalsz vele amit akarsz, csak jo lenne ismerni a jatekszabalyokat elore.

Ami pedig a kovetkezot illeti:

>A Moderator megsertese a HIXrol valo kizarassal jarhat...

Nekem ez a vilagert sem jutna eszembe!  Nem is ertem, hogy minek irnak oda
olyanok, akik nem szeretik a moderatort.
.... etc.

--------------- Idezetek vege -------------

No most miert emlitem ezt megint?  Hat azert, mivel ismet idoszerunek
ereztem a mostani, HUNGARY listaba "disszidalt" regebbi FORUM-irok
FORUMot gyalazo cikkei miatt.  Mivel ezen irok tobbnyire a SZALON
torzsgardaja is, talan nem engedem tul messze a fantaziamat, ha azt
feltetelezem, hogy Hollosi fenti, csak a FORUMot sujto megszoritasat
ok is sugalltak, vagy helyeseltek.  Ezert aztan eleg humoros, ahogy
vedeni igyekeznek a HUNGARYn folyo, FORUMot besarozo tevekenyseguket
meg olyan, szelsosegesnek egyaltalan nem mondhato FORUMozok enyhe
tiltakozasa elleneben is, mint Bathory Gyorgy es Zimanyi Magda.

Mit gondoltok?

Pannon J.

Stop defamation of Nation and Church on taxpayers

Please stop the  defamation of Nation and Church by the Hungarian 
Government. 

If the article by Andras Pellionisz is correct then this is a turning 
moment of my understanding of the entire present. I then understand 
the attitude of the Hungarian elected government to the grave 
situation of the minorities within the neighboring countries. 

I have only one question. Does the government or does not represent 
the opinion of the majority. It would be important to find out if a 
sizable portion of the electorate subscribes to the denigration of the 
national past. 



Sincerely


Adalbert Albu

imexintra > wrote:

 (Scott A. Safier) wrote:
>

>
>
>1. Scott, you like very much communist statistics, but you should know 
>that communist statistics is not reliable.

This is the truth. I bet you didn't know before reading Scott's
posting how  women were treared in "socialist" Ceausescu Romania.
Because we were not supposed to know . We had to be brain-washed and
satisfied with the misery, the hypocrisy and the depression. 

Siya






>Ivan
>

	

On Fri, 21 Jun 1996, imexintra wrote:

>  (Scott A. Safier) wrote:
> 
> >A long-term sociology study was conducted in Rumania to women who were
> >twice denied abortion (first by the lower state organization, then an
> >appeal).  The (unwanted) children of these women had more developmental
> >problems growing up, scored lower on standardized tests, have difficulty
> >keeping jobs, and are more likely to be alcoholics.  Some of these
> >(unwanted) children are now having children, and these effects seem to 
> >be
> >affecting their parenting and childrearing skills.
> 
> 1. Scott, you like very much communist statistics, but you should know 
> that communist statistics is not reliable.

Why do you think that all statistics from a communist country are 
unreliable? Besides, a lot of studies in Romania were done after the fall 
of comunism there, and those are to be trusted. 

> 2. Every human being is a unical person. Nobody has right to decide the 
> faith of another human whether he/she shouls live or die. Tell me,

The fetus is not a human being because it depends on the woman's 
organism. As such, it is not a human being.
 
> please, are all homosexuals Nazis? You homosexuals why don't you 

Yes, there are homosexuals who are(were) Nazis. Haven't you heard of the 
organization "Gay Nazis for Jesus Christ"?

> exterminate yourselves instead of killing innocent little children? Do 

Fetuses are *not* little children. Stop, please!


> Women who don't want to have children has good methods for this. Abortion 
> is not such a method. This world would be a better world without 
> pro-homosexual propaganda, but this doesn't give me any right to 
> exterminate propagandators of pro-homosexual propaganda. Every human life 
> is sacred, even the life of pro-homosexual propagandators.

The world would be a myuch better place without brainwashed Christians 
like the Southern Baptists in the USA, for example, who boycot Disney 
World ( the latest provides health benefits for same sex couples ) and 
have recently initiated a Crusade against the Jews ( yes, the Southern 
Baptist Church has decided to convert all Jews into Christians).

And stop with this "pro-homosexual" - after all, we don't hear terms 
like "pro-nigger" or  "pro-woman". If you are not homosexual, black or 
woman, no one can convert you into any of those.

> 
> We Christians are concerned with the right of every person to life. This 
> is our first concern. Other related problems are not relevant.

You Christians are concerned with keeping Christianity alive so that you 
can exercise your power and suppress anyone who dares to question your 
bullshit.


Alex

In article >,
Adalbrert Albu  > wrote:
| Stop defamation of Nation and Church on taxpayers
| 
| Please stop the  defamation of Nation and Church by the Hungarian 
| Government. 
| 
| If the article by Andras Pellionisz is correct then this is a turning 
| moment of my understanding of the entire present. I then understand 
| the attitude of the Hungarian elected government to the grave 
| situation of the minorities within the neighboring countries. 
| 
| I have only one question. Does the government or does not represent 
| the opinion of the majority. It would be important to find out if a 
| sizable portion of the electorate subscribes to the denigration of the 
| national past. 

I have not responded because my feelings regarding this
issue are still forming. I do think from the excerpts
Pellionisz provided that the play is unneccessarrily
hurtful, and disgusting. By unneccessary I mean that I fail
to see what point Spiro was trying to make that would
justify the hyrtfulness and disgustingness of ht excerpts
provided, so as far as the piece itself goes I found the 
outrage appropriate, although I will have to read the piece
in full to make a final determination.

At the same time I have seen other controversial pieces of
art that some found offensive but their artistic value -in
my opinion- warranted tolarating them, and even the public
funding they received. Such examples are some of Serrano's  
works, most recognized of them is the piss Christ, or works
by Maplethorpe. 
IN Hungary historically Attila Jozsef, and Ady were
considered to be in the same category as Spiro is put in
now, and I would very much hate to allow myself to be a
"Horger Antal ur", not to mention Khomeini (vs Rushdie) or
whoever vs Dante.

One more point to make however is that what Pellionisz is
attacking is the award of a prize. Spiro's play was selected
not by government or government authorities but by a jury,
therefore Pellionisz' disagreement is with them, although -
as always, and often unfounded he is trying to blame the
present government for the award. 

Istvan

In article >, 
(Istvan Szucs) wrote:

> I have not responded because my feelings regarding this
> issue are still forming. I do think from the excerpts
> Pellionisz provided that the play is unneccessarrily
> hurtful, and disgusting. By unneccessary I mean that I fail
> to see what point Spiro was trying to make that would
> justify the hyrtfulness and disgustingness of ht excerpts
> provided, so as far as the piece itself goes I found the 
> outrage appropriate, although I will have to read the piece
> in full to make a final determination.


istvan, you *have* to  read it in full to make *any* determination. uou
know very well that to provide but excerpts from any work is in fact a
manipulation to suit an agenda. especially in this case.

ef

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In article >,  wrote:

>Szemelyre szolo gyalazkodas az, ha valaki nem azt irja, hogy
>"kolostorban is elofordul(t) homoszekszualis egyen", hanem
>KONKRETAN pl. Vak Bela kiralyunkat gyalazza barmi aberracioval,
>anelkul hogy arra barmi bizonyiteka lenne. Ez olyan gyalazat,
>mintha valaki nem olvasna az scm-et es ugy jelentene ki hogy
>"Szaszvari Peter egy mocskos magyarsag- es egyhazgyulolo
>gazember", hogy azt nem tudna boseges dokumentumokkal ala-
>tamasztani.
>


Koszonom, kezdek mindent erteni :)


Szaszvari Peter
(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)

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In article >, MEgorov > wrote:
>Kedves Olvaso!
>
>Tul draga az ideje, tul dragak az ujsagok ahhoz, hogy figyelemmel
>kiserje a hazai es kulfoldi sajto magyar es magyar vonatkozasu
>hireit? Pl. nincs ideje elolvasni a Demokratat, Uj Magyarorszagot,
>Magyar Hirlapot, Magyar Nemzetet, Nepszavat, Nepszabadsagot (stb)
>megis osszefoglalo kepet akar kapni a napi- es hetisajtorol?
>Sot; nem jaratja ugyan a (meregdraga) Wall Street Journalt, megis
>ismerni akarja milyen magyar vonatkozasu cikkek jelennek meg abban
>es mas vezeto vilaglapokban?
>
> ...
>
>Igen, a "Nemzet" elerheto a "World Wide Web"-en is! Eleresi helye:
>http://www.siliconvalley.com/nemzet.html         <<---
>
>Adjon nekunk alkalmat arra, hogy a "Nemzet"-tel a Nemzetnek
>elsokezbol bemutatkozhassunk!
>
>
>Tisztelettel:
>
>Toth Jozsef
>a "Nemzet" Kiadoja es
>Szerkesztobizottsaganak elnoke

Csak azt tudnam, hogy hogyan jelennek meg az ilyen cikkek
"From: " feladotol.  A HUNGARY listan is lattam egy Ferenc
altal alairt levelet ezzel a MEgorov cimmel a fejlecen.

Meg a vegen az en cikkem is igy jelenik majd meg? 

Pannon J.

In article >,
 > wrote:

| Csak azt tudnam, hogy hogyan jelennek meg az ilyen cikkek
| "From: " feladotol.  A HUNGARY listan is lattam egy Ferenc
| altal alairt levelet ezzel a MEgorov cimmel a fejlecen.
| 
| Meg a vegen az en cikkem is igy jelenik majd meg? 
| 
| Pannon J.

Konnyen lehet. MEgorov egyszeruen utankozol cikkeket,
leveleket a sajat neve alatt. 
Egyetertek az elottem szolokkal hogy az illeto nem erdemli
meg a figyelmet, ill a reakciot. En peldaul most kill-fileba
teszem.

Istvan

MEgorov wrote:
> 
> Kedves Olvaso!
> 
> Tul draga az ideje, tul dragak az ujsagok ahhoz, hogy figyelemmel
> kiserje a hazai es kulfoldi sajto magyar es magyar vonatkozasu
> hireit? Pl. nincs ideje elolvasni a Demokratat, Uj Magyarorszagot,
> Magyar Hirlapot, Magyar Nemzetet, Nepszavat, Nepszabadsagot (stb)
> megis osszefoglalo kepet akar kapni a napi- es hetisajtorol?
> Sot; nem jaratja ugyan a (meregdraga) Wall Street Journalt, megis
> ismerni akarja milyen magyar vonatkozasu cikkek jelennek meg abban
> es mas vezeto vilaglapokban?
> 
> A hazafias szellemu "Nemzet" c. "Magyar Internet Vilaglap" minden
> munkanapon megjelenik. Tobbnyire magyar nyelven, de eredeti
> angol forrasokat is tartalmazva, az On kivansagara eljuttatja az On
> komputerebe naponta a par perc alatt attekintheto formaba tomoritett
> hireket, erdekessegeket, szenzaciokat. (Utobbira pelda a sorozatban
> kozolt Szatmari "[Majdnem] Halott ujsagiro nem hazudik" c. konyve,
> rendkivuli politikai erdekessegekkel).
> 
> On talan mar hallott is kulonfele allitasokat a nagy erdeklodest
> felkeltett "Nemzet"-rol, hiszen lapunkrol, mint az Internet uj
> szenzaciojarol, meg a legolvasottabb napilap, a "Nepszabadsag" is
> cikkezett! De semmi sem helyettesiti az On szemelyes meggyozodeset.
> 
> INGYENES "MEGRENDELES":
> 
> Ha a "Nemzet"-et kozonseges e-mail hirlevelkent kivanja kapni
> (termeszetesen ingyen), kuldje be az alabbi kerest:
> 
> cim:         <<---
> temakent: akarmi
> leveltorzsbe: akarmi
> 
> (Ha tetszesenek a "Nemzet" mutatvanyszamai nem felelnenek meg,
> barmikor lemondhatja a Magyar Internet Vilaglapot az alabbi
> utasitassal:
> mail to: 
> subject: akarmi
> leveltorzsbe: akarmi)
> 
> Igen, a "Nemzet" elerheto a "World Wide Web"-en is! Eleresi helye:
> http://www.siliconvalley.com/nemzet.html         <<---
> 
> Adjon nekunk alkalmat arra, hogy a "Nemzet"-tel a Nemzetnek
> elsokezbol bemutatkozhassunk!
> 
> Tisztelettel:
> 
> Toth Jozsef
> a "Nemzet" Kiadoja es
> Szerkesztobizottsaganak elnoke

Szlovak almagyar elvtars!

Mar megint a soc.culture.magyar-on idetlenkedsz?

Szegyeld magad, s kotrodj a kurva anyad budos picsajaba a 
bolsevik-szalasista lapoddal egyutt. 

Miattatok volt 45 evig kommunizmus Europaban! Tobbet nem lesz, 
barmennyire is akarjatok.

Marinov Ivan






postacim: PK 32, BG-1336 Sofija, Bulgaria

U. i. Bocsanatot kerek az olvasoktol, de ezekkel a kommunista fajgyulolo 
allatokkal nem lehet civilizalt modon ertekezni.

In article >,
    (MEgorov) wrote:
>Kedves Olvaso!
[..]
>Tisztelettel:
>
>Toth Jozsef
>a "Nemzet" Kiadoja es
>Szerkesztobizottsaganak elnoke
>

Fantasztikus! Ugy latszik ez az idiota M Egorov aki a mult heten 
provokalni kezdett is Pellionisz. Ez most eloszor tenyleg jo 
volt. Egy teljesen uj arc, teljesen uj hulye provokacio azt 
hittem valaki megint beszallt a ringbe.
Erre tessek itt van megint ez a lapos Nemzet reklam, puff neki...


Szaszvari Peter
(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)

Hey, Siya, just a question: do you go to a women's college?

thanks

In article >,
 > wrote:
| In article >, 
| (Istvan Szucs) wrote:
| 
| > I have not responded because my feelings regarding this
| > issue are still forming. I do think from the excerpts
| > Pellionisz provided that the play is unneccessarrily
| > hurtful, and disgusting. By unneccessary I mean that I fail
| > to see what point Spiro was trying to make that would
| > justify the hyrtfulness and disgustingness of ht excerpts
| > provided, so as far as the piece itself goes I found the 
| > outrage appropriate, although I will have to read the piece
| > in full to make a final determination.
| 
| 
| istvan, you *have* to  read it in full to make *any* determination. uou
| know very well that to provide but excerpts from any work is in fact a
| manipulation to suit an agenda. especially in this case.
| 
| ef

I agree, but I cannot imagine how the text in the
excerpts could be justified by anything in the story.

Istvan