No country is racist.

Many coutnries have racist people in them.

Therefore, here is one non-racist country: 'Namibia'.

Jem
______(2˘)___________________________
ƒWƒƒƒ‰ƒ~creative
http://www.thehub.com.au/~jarami/
(Poke here for belly-buttons galore!)

Steve Kiely wrote:
> 
> Name one (1) country with a racist-free history:
> 
> 1.
> 
> Steve Kiely
> http://www.magna.com.au/~c41
1.Kishmeesh 
2.Shamshamula
3.Qazibazi
4.Hambanaygooy
5.Rekhalokakora
6.Dyanikoonbago
7.Arabibedarpey
8.Turkikarokarbab
9.Closedchain
10.MaybeSomeday
11.Weneverknow

Peter k Chong ) wrote:
: I beg to differ but I will not push anything unless you ask my humble 
: opinion about KUSKI or KULJETUS (Finnish)

I think both are fairly new words. Kuski (informal for driver) is
probably a loan while kuljetus (transport) smells of the word-
inventing bureaucrat's office.

: Csoke noted tsilketta: was some dialectal form...

'Ts' in the beginning is very un-Finnish, but could be from
Russian Karelia.

: That's true too. I did find ylka: to mean "bridegroom". However, I 
: personally find that the "l" and "r" sounds are similar-sounding to one 
: another... 

The weak English r maybe, but the Chinese or Japanese person who
mistakes the rolled Finnish tip-of-the-tongue R for l must be deaf.

: (I'm Chinese and sometimes I can't always pronounce an "r" 
: sound that well and I am told Japanese speakers cannot pronounce "l" 
: sounds and substitute them with an "r" sound.)

Allegedly a Japan Air Lines hostess wished the passengers to
'have a nice fright'.

Hiski Haapoja (JSAS)
 
# Time wounds old heels. # (Groucho Marx in "Go West")

 writes:

>Below is continued publication of obscene email harassment by notorious
>forger Nikki Sandru from his forged origination address, via telnet from
>his employer's offices:

More lies from Colin James III.

Before reacting to Colin James' calls for harassment read this:




           COLIN JAMES III FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS (AND ANSWERS)

         This FAQ will be reposted monthly to relevant USENET groups.


Q1: Who is Colin James III?

A1: KotM Winner January 1996 - Colin James III )

      (from http://www.wetware.com/mlegare/kotm/winnersk96.html)

Colin James III, anti-stukach, creator of BSAM, one-man harrasment
squad...  What can you say about him, this anti-stukach (stukach
being Russian for "informer") claimed that he had created the BSAM
sort alogorithm, got challenged on it, demonstrated a tenuous (at
best) grasp of the basic concepts and perfromance of BSAM, then
launched into a vigourous campaign to impign all of his "enemies"
(which, to the best of my knowledge meant anyone who mentions his
name) by emailing, faxing, calling and otherwise alerting his
"enemies" employers, ISPs, and (in the case of government employees)
the Inspector General of the United States of America to naughty
behavior (reading rec.nude, corssposting to more than three
newsgroups) in the apparent hopes of costing someone his or her job,
account, or SOMETHING... I really have no idea what.

Colin has (as of last report) set up an autoresponder to tell anyone
who sends him email that "Colin is no longer accepting email to this
account". However, he/his sysadmin/SOMEONE keeps quoting the
so-called "ignored" email messages to the senders' sysadmin, boss,
the IG etc.

Colin won with an AMAZING number of votes (182!), making him the
Most-Voted-For KotM nominee in the history of the award (at least
under my term of office - Jan 1995 - Jan 1996).

Q2: What this Kook business is about?

A2: Every month since April 1994 (with a short haitus in Nov-Dec
1994), the readers of alt.usenet.kooks have nominated and voted for a
Kook of the Month. This award is intended to recognize great
achievements in the field of kookery, although (disclaimer) no
psychological diagnosis is intended or implied by the award; the fact
that a group of net.posters think that someone's ideas are bizarre
does not imply that that person is mentally disturbed in a clinical
sense.

Look at this excellent Web page: http://www.wetware.com/mlegare/kotm/KotM.html


Q3: Why is this FAQ posted here?

A2: Because Colin James had fun in your group lying about BSAM (see
below) and harassing other people.


Q4: HELP!!! Colin James sent 150 nasty faxes to my boss and human 
resources department because of my USENET posts!!! He demands that
I be fired. Will I be fired?

A4: Most probably no. He has complained to employers of at least 90
people in the last six or seven months, and no one (to our best
knowledge) of his victims has been fired. If you know that Colin goes
after you, talk to your boss immediately. Show him/her this FAQ and
print out relevant materials from the Kook Page, and you should be OK.


Q5: HELP!!! I am a big boss, and never read USENET. Today some freak
called me, said me that my employee abuses my corporate resources,
libels some very important company called CEC Services, and said that
if I do not fire this employee immediately, CEC Services will initiate
a legal action against us. What to do?

A5: Stay calm. The caller is most likely to be Colin James III, or,
as he calls himself, The Right Reverend Colin James III, Principal
Scientist. He is a known nut with a hobby to harass his opponents.
USENET users elected him Kook of the Month in January'96 for his
bizarre habit of harassing anyone who mentions his name.

Colin James is LYING. He will not sue your company. This is his trick
for getting people in trouble. In fact, in March he promised several
lawsuits to be filed "next week", however none of them has been ever
been really filed.  CEC Services is a one man shop operating from Colin
James' residence, so Colin James is a Principal Scientist and principal
everything in his tiny operation.

Stop any contacts with him immediately. If he finds that you are not
listening, he will shut up.


Q6: HELP!!! I am an Internet user and today in the morning I got
a phone call asking that I cease and desist posting to USENET. What
to do?

A6: This is Colin James. Immediately hang up. Lift the receiver again
and press *57 (it initiates call trace). Call the police and report a
harassing phone call likely from Colin James. Fill them with details.
Make sure that they stay on the case.


Q7: Colin James promises to sue me. What's going to happen?

A7: Nothing. COLIN JAMES IS LYING AS USUAL. He promised to sue several
people "within a week or so", and no one heard about these lawsuits 
thereafter.

The reason why he does not sue his "enemies" is that his claims are
frivolous (have no legal substance) and are likely to result in a
summary judgment not in his favor. He is obviously not rich enough
to afford paying an attorney on a non-contingency basis.

#Date: Sun, 03 Mar 1996 06:58:54 GMT
#         ^^^^^^^^
#Subject: Re: Has anyone actually received any legal papers from CJ3?
#Path: ...!lll-winken.llnl.gov!news.larc.nasa.gov!news.msfc.nasa.gov
#!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!howland.reston.ans.net!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu
#!newsfeed.internetmci.com!dimensional.com!news
#From:  (The Right Reverend Colin James III)
#Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada
#
#
#| Or are his rantings without any legal substance?
#|             dave
#
#Don't worry Dave, you're not left out.  You're on the list too.  We
#plan to be in court next week.

#Date: Mon, 04 Mar 1996 05:10:29 GMT
#         ^^^^^^^^
#Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada
#Subject: Has anyone actually received any legal papers from CJ3?
#Path: ...!newsjunkie.ans.net!newsfeeds.ans.net!howland.reston.ans.net
#!newsfeed.internetmci.com!mr.net!winternet.com!dimensional.com!news
#
#Ronald Cole ,  (The
#Pinhead)) wrote:
#
#"How about posting the Court and case number?  I want to file an
#amicus curiae brief that contains harassing posts like this one of
#yours."
#
#Ronald, while I don't know you, fortunately, I can tell you it is US
#Federal District Court for a hearing, and I am hoping for a lady judge
#there who went to Harvard Law School and who particularly disdains
#pinheads and software architects, both of which you claim to be.
#Maybe you can get your swell pal and buddy Gary McKee, 111 W Freemont
#Ave, Littleton, CO 80120-4290, to call the clerks and show up in^H^H
#with your briefs.

Needless to say, his threats never materialized.


Q8: What is BSAM that Colin James claims to have invented?

A8: Allegedly, it is a fast method of indexing data. Nobody knows for
sure. TRRCJ3 refuses to give out any information about workings of BSAM.
On some occasions he was giving self-contradicting or outright stupid
information about BSAM and its performance.

From his post four months ago: 

Subject: Re: [++] [$$] Re: Desperately seeking BSAM

>.                Comparisons                Moves
>.          Sta-  =====================      =========================
>
>Component  ble   Min      Avg      Max      Min      Avg      Max
>========== ==-   ======-  ======-  ======-  ======-  ======-  ======-
>heap_sort  No    n log n  n log n  n log n  n log n  n log n  n log n
>quick_sort No    n log n  n log n  n^2      n log n  n log n  n^2
>radix_sort No    n log n  n log n  n^2      n log n  n log n  n^2
>BSAM       No                                                 n+ n^0.5
^^^^^^                                                        ^^^^^^^^^^
> ================================================================
          Any computer science student knows that complexity
          (n + n^0.5) makes no sense.

Sometimes he claims that BSAM is 10 times faster than B-trees, sometimes
that it is only four times faster.

The only thing that you can be sure about BSAM is, if you criticize it,
Colin James will demand your employer that you be fired (See Q4-Q6)
and will threaten to sue you. He is lying and will not sue you.


Q9: Why he calls himself The Right Reverend (and on some occasions bishop)?

A9: Nobody knows why, just as nobody knows what BSAM really is.
What everybody _does_ know, however, is that he has no church and no
followers. But if it is more pleasant for him to call himself Reverend,
why not? We all have freedom of speech and religion after all.


Q10: I sent an email to Colin, but it bounced back saying that Colin
James does not read mail. Isn't it weird? 

A10: Colin James is lying again. He does read email that is sent to him.
Be more or less sure that he will repost your mail or complain to your
sysadmin about "criminal harassment" of his precious person. It has been
proven on numerous occasions, in comp.lang.ada and comp.lang.eiffel 
for example.


Q11: So, what should we all do? 

A11: Nothing. Just laugh at him.

In article >,
Murat Kalinyaprak > wrote:
>I'm reposting this since some of my articles since
>January 1 don't seem to be distributed on usenet.
[...]
>The initial list, posted by Peter Chong, compared
>70 Sumerian words to Finnish, Hungarian, Turkish,
>and Mongolian, showing what many people would see
>to be similarities between those languages...
>
>As people having an allergy to such a possibility
>often do, you and a couple others displayed their
>"pre-wired" reaction and jumped to dismiss it, by
>picking on a single word out of that list...
>
>And the "father" word you chose was obviously one
>of the easiest targets. (as it is among the words
>most questionable in such comparisons)
>
>But what happened to the rest of the words...? Of
>course none of you arrogant smarties has yet been
>capable of answering this question...! :)

Haven't you seen *any* of the numerous posts by native speakers of Finnish
and Turkish pointing out the many errors in the data?  I'm sure if there
were more native speakers of Mongolian, Mansy, etc. on Usenet, even more
flaws in the data would be found.

>The questions are very simple:
>
>"Are there, or are there not similarities between 
>"the Sumerian and Finnish, Hungarian, Turkish and
>"Mongolian words in the list that was posted...?"

You're missing a crucial element of language reconstruction:  They have to
be *regular* similarities, the results of *exceptionless* sound changes.
Anybody can find resemblances between sets of words; finding patterns of  
correspondences is considerably tougher.  Why is Mr. Chong starting with
modern forms anyway?  If he really wants to prove a relationship, why
doesn't he compare Sumerian to reconstructed Proto-Finno-Ugric and
Proto-Altaic?

[snip]
>"Are there, or are there not similarities between 
>"the Sumerian and Finnish, Hungarian, Turkish and
>"Mongolian words in the list that was posted...?"

Yes.

>"If there are some similarities, can you find and
>"demostrate equal amounts of similarities between
>"Sumerian and German, Spanish, Zulu, Cherokee,
>"Andes and Kurdish (as you claimed)...?"

What would this prove?

-- 
	 Daniel "Da" von Brighoff    /\          Dilettanten
	)  /__\         erhebt Euch
				   /____\      gegen die Kunst!

Murat Kalinyaprak wrote:

> Stop dumping irrelevant bull-shit and answer the
> questions I asked above...! In case they escaped
> your attention, here they are once more:

	Relevance only in that often one's educational background can tend
towards slightly biased directions... in either way/case/shape/form...

> "Are there, or are there not similarities between
> "the Sumerian and Finnish, Hungarian, Turkish and
> "Mongolian words in the list that was posted...?"

	sure.. they're some surface similarities...

	however, surface similarities do *not* prove/solidify genetic
relatedness. Here's a case in using somethign simple, like numbers
(other linguists, please bear with...):

	Mand	Cant	Tois	Kor	Jap	Thai

1	?i	yat	yIt	il	it$i	ni"N/-et
2	@r	yi	Nei	i	ni	sO:N/yi-
3	san	sa:m	lha:m	sam	san	sa:m
4	sI"	sei	lhei	sa	$i	si
5	?u	N	N	o	go	ha:
6	liou	lUk	lUk	(L)juk	roku	hok
7	chi	t$at	tIt	t$Il	$it$i	cet
8	pa	pa:t	pa:t	p'al	hat$i	p&t
9	ciu	kau	kiu	ku	ku/kyu	kau
10	s.I"	sap	sIp	$Ip	dZu:	sIp

	hrm... well.. there sems to be more than a surface similarity here..
especially when one takes into account previous stages of the languages:

Jap: it$i < *iti, $i < *si, $it$i < *siti. hat$i < *hati, dZuu < *zyuu
Kor: il < *it, i < *Ni, o < *No, t$Il < *t$It, p'al < *p'at, $Ip < *sip
Toi: lh < *s, *ts- > t

	and, as such.. they *are* related... and pretty "basic" concepts too..
HOWEVER... while, Mandarin-Cantonese-Toisan *are* related... they aren't
related to Korean, Japanese or Thai.. since other aspects of the
languages have grouped them elsewhere and *not* with these Sinitic
languages (aka: Chinese dialects).
	so, when people look at your list of 70 words and don't whole-heartedly
embrace the notion of those languages being related (since previous
in-depth studies have shown to a large extent that the earlier premise
that they were related is not the case), they have reason. surface
similarity with some possible fudging *may* produce some possibilities
in relatedness.. it's not an end-all sign that those languages are
related. 
	uff.. i just lost my train of thought, but this should suffice....

> MK

-patrick

My wife and I shall be visiting Budapest next May, a thrill for me 
because my mother was born there (Buda) in 1900.

Unfortunately, we shall only be there about 2-1/2 days.  

I'd welcome some well-founded advice on whether we'd be better off
getting about by metro and taxis, or by renting a car?  

Please reply to 

Thanks.

Peter k Chong wrote:

> 

> 

> I beg to differ but I will not push anything unless you ask my humble

> opinion about KUSKI or KULJETUS (Finnish) or KHUSH (Sumerian) or KOCSI

> (Magyar) or KOS, (Turkish) or KACHI (Old Japanese)... :-)

> 

> 

> Csoke noted tsilketta: was some dialectal form... But how about SALAMA

> (lightning) as a possible cognate of the Sumerian ZAL(AG)> (which means

> "bright", "star", "light", "be bright")

>  

> 

> If you still even have an inkling of an interest in this matter, I

> suggest that you access this website...

> 

> http://exo.com/~fredh/lang.htm







Just a comment or two on the above (and in general on

the possibility of having Turkish and Finnish or -- more generally --

even the Altaic and the Uralic families related to each other). First of

all, as long as the data on the level of vocabulary correspondences

remain what they now seem to be, I'm afraid I'll refrain from drawing

any firm conclusions on the issue. That is, I tend to agree with people

like, say, Kenneth Katzner (The Languages of the World), who argues that

"The Altaic and the Uralic languages show sufficient similarity in

grammar and phonology to lead some linguists to think of them as two

branches of a single family..." but who then adds that "in the crucial

matter of vocabulary, almost no correspondences (other than recent

borrowings) can be found..." and that "for this reason it is probably

best to regard them as separate families." (p. 20)



That is, there is (at least IMHO) too little and too undecisive evidence

to warrant an affirmative answer to the question of a possible

relationship between the two languages (or even between the two

families). As regards your comments on the two cases above, I'm afraid

I'll have to remain undecisive or even sceptic about them, too, though I

do admit that your conjecture about the possible relationship between

the Finnish "salama" and the corresponding Sumerian item is not without

its attractions. This is mainly so because -- at least if my

(Finnish-language) sources on the etymology of Finnish words are to be

trusted at all -- the age of "salama" in the language is uncertain.

However, as it is definitely among the oldest elements of the language,

it *might* constitute some sort of evidence here. Even so, we are then

still a long way from establishing a sufficient number of systematic

correspondences to make the relationship more than putative.



As for your views on "kuski", similar considerations probably apply.

This is so because "kuski" -- as I indicated in my news reply -- is a

loanword from Swedish but is also a word which -- at least according to

the Etymological Dictionary of Finnish (which exists in Finnish only,

I'm afraid) -- originally came to Finnish from Hungarian. The source

here is the Hungarian "kocsi", from the name of the village Kocs (where

coaches of a certain variety were first built) -- as I'm sure you know

-- so all this really shows is that Finnish and Hungarian are related,

which we of course knew already. (The data provided by the web cite you

cite are also inconclusive to my mind, and they are not entirely

correct, either, as far as Finnish is concerned.)



As I said, I'm not convinced all that easily. Not that it matters all

that much as I'm not a full-time historical linguist anyway (I normally

work on issues having to with translation and more synhcronic aspects of

language). Still, I am interested in these questions as they have a

certain relevance to quite a few synhronic issues also.



But let's see what other people (or the two of us) can come up with as

times goes by. Meanwhile, I wish you all the best.



Cheers,



Pertti







**********************************************



Pertti Hietaranta



Associate Professor of English

University of Helsinki

Department of Translation Studies



E-mail:  (work)

E-mail:  (home)



**********************************************

 (Murat Kalinyaprak) wrote:

>The initial list, posted by Peter Chong, compared
>70 Sumerian words to Finnish, Hungarian, Turkish,
>and Mongolian, showing what many people would see
>to be similarities between those languages...

1. Many people (including me) did not see many similarities. Some
words were similar to languages outside the compared group too, and
therefore rather uninteresting. Many of the 'finnish' words were
inaccurate, so the list was not very reliable.

2. It is impossible to just compare languages like this. You need to
know what kind of changes in the sound and the grammar has occurred in
the languages. For example an Icelandic word pronounced something like
'kettlingi' and a swedish word pronounced like 'sherring' is the same
word. They don't look very alike when written phonetically, and you
need to know that initial 'k' can be changed to an 'sh' sound, and
that the 'tl' combination doesn't exist in Swedish and must have been
replaced (by 'r', in this word at least). It also helps to know that
there is a dialectal version in sweden (from gotland) that is
pronounced 'kelling'.

In short: A table like this is meaningless. It doesn't prove or
disprove anything.

>As people having an allergy to such a possibility
>often do, you and a couple others displayed their
>"pre-wired" reaction and jumped to dismiss it, by
>picking on a single word out of that list...

The picking out of word were used to show mistakes in the list. Some
mistakes is of course unavoidable, but if you can find many errors in
just the finnish words, the other languages may be just as erratic,
which throws doubts onto the list as a whole. Use a more accurate list
next time.

>But what happened to the rest of the words...?

The rest of the words didn't seem alike.

>"Are there, or are there not similarities between 
>"the Sumerian and Finnish, Hungarian, Turkish and
>"Mongolian words in the list that was posted...?"

No. Which of course is competely irrelevant.

Tom wrote:
> 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Send a blank e-mail message to  to
> > find out how to learn  more about East Timor on the Internet
> > or see these links:
[...]

>    Go to hell you and your Timor !
>    Why do you think we care about your F. country here in S.C.M.!!! ?
>    Why don't you hang yourself , piece of shit !


Just another disgusting idiot...

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We in Austin would like to make a correction to the information we 
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Tima'r Sa'ndor, the artistic director of the Hungarian State Ensemble
and his wife Erzse'bet will be teaching a Hungarian Dance workshop in
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The teaching will include material from Vajdaszentiva'nyi and Raboko:zi,
and will be at the intermediate to advanced level.

Teaching will be held Friday evening, Saturday during the day
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New York City metro area including connecticut

Patrick Chew > writes: > Murat Kalinyaprak wrote:
> 
> > Stop dumping irrelevant bull-shit and answer the
> > questions I asked above...! In case they escaped
> > your attention, here they are once more:
> 
> 	Relevance only in that often one's educational background can tend
> towards slightly biased directions... in either way/case/shape/form...
> 
> > "Are there, or are there not similarities between
> > "the Sumerian and Finnish, Hungarian, Turkish and
> > "Mongolian words in the list that was posted...?"
> 
> 	sure.. they're some surface similarities...
> 
> 	however, surface similarities do *not* prove/solidify genetic
> relatedness. Here's a case in using somethign simple, like numbers
> (other linguists, please bear with...):
> 
Where on earth did you get the notion that there is only 70 common words
amongst these languages and thats it, never mind all the structural 
grammatical similarities. Where does one persons surface judgement start
and another's end. Seems like there is more to this than what you think
and certainly more to it than Peter's short example list can show. 
If one wants to shut the idea out than one can allways complain about
brevity.. but no one said thats all there is. Now of course when we
bring national politics into the picture things really get confusing.
Like when my wife bought me a book on China, I look at one of their 
maps of the languages in China and it only lists the Indo-Chinese 
languages and leaves a chunk of China unindicated, where there are 
still Ural-Altaic languages and does not even show it in the references.
That is another example of politicizing things.
Fred Hamori

don't forget to correct the turkish entries as well. there are many in them.

I'm reposting this since some of my articles since
January 1 don't seem to be distributed on usenet.

In > "paradox" wrote:

 wrote in >...

>> Daniel von Brighoff ) wrote:

>>> In > Gabor Barsai wrote:

>>>> In > Peter Chong wrote:

>>>>> Sumerian:       ab(-ba) 128,13a (father)
>>>>> Finnish:        appi (father-in-law)
>>>>> Hungarian:      apa (father)
>>>>> Turkish:        aba (")
>>>>> Mongol:         aav (")

>>>> And don't forget the Etruscan "apa" (father)! Same
>>>> spelling and meaning as in Hungarian.

>> Father is called as 'appa' in Tamil, a Indian Dravidian
>> language. So, does that mean Tamil is related to Turkish
>> or Finnish. I think not.
>> 
>> Shridhar(words spread around the world and get modified
>> in one's language).
>
> Yes...  And so is in every language in the world..
> I've been to telling this poor ignorant soul..

As I brought to readers attention before, the
initial list compared about 70 Sumerian words
to Finnish, Hungarian, Turkish and Mongolian.

Why have you guys singled out and got so hung
up on one word out of 70...?

Since quite a few readers have posted on this
subject, I don't know whom do you refer to as
"ignorant soul" but one of the ignorant souls
(me!:) asked you to compare 70 Sumerian words
to German, Spanish, Zulu, Cherokee, Andes and
Kurdish... (as you brought them up yourself)

You were quick enough to assert that "father"
related words were similar in those languages
as well but you haven't responded to my above
request yet...

What's the matter...? Could it be because you
yourself are an "ignorant soul"...? :) :) 

> But if you only heard one or two languages all your life,

There is just no way for you to know how many
languages other people speak based on reading
a few lines of their postings in a newsgroup.

But, because you have nothing better to offer
on the subject all you can do is project your
own ignorance onto others by extrapolating in
the dark...

> and if you belong to the only nation still believes in the
> official doctrines of the 1920's, you still claim that
> everything and everyone in the world descended from your nation.

You show your ignorance again, by not knowing
that such claims have been made and are still
made by not just one but many nations...

Look at the names of the writers in the tread
above, starting with "Peter Chong" who posted
the initial article... They hardly sound like
they are from a certain nation and surely not
from the nation you are alluding to...

Your dragging this subject more and more into
doctrines and politics is beginning to expose
your primary interest in participating in our
discussion here...

> What hits those poor souls hard is the TRUTH when they
> leave their country for the first time and they realize
> that not only they are just another human being, with
> all the ills and deficiencies, but they have been oppressed
> and put down all their lives and doctrinated to the bone.

Are you sharing your personal experiences and
problems with us...?

> Serious character problems arise. some turn to religion
> or nationalistic tendencies for self protection/preservation
> and some go to complete denial of their background and try

Is this what happened to you...?

> to blend in wherever thay are claiming that they are Italian,
> Greek, French etc..I've met both kinds on many occasions.

I'm sure you must have met "millions of them"
but your personal problems have nothing to do
with the subject here...

The subject here is the possible similarities
between Sumarian and Ural-Altaic languages...

And it looks like, for some reason you have a
"little problem" dealing with it...!

MK

I'm reposting this since some of my articles since
January 1 don't seem to be distributed on usenet.

In > "paradox" wrote:

> That is exactly what I've been trying to explain to those people.

Yeah, you have been trying and trying to explain
something... But you could not even get past the
"father" words yet...

> What they are reading to you is the official state doctrine from
> the 20's where they tried to "convince" everyone that everything
> comes from Turkish, everything comes from the Turks and,
> consequently, everyone is Turkish in the world!

This is an argument you brought into the subject,
and you are dwelling on it because you don't have
nothing better to say on the subject...

Linguists and people interested in languages have
tried to find and show relationships between them
for a variety of reasons. (which may also include
Sun Languages, Moon Laguages, etc. theories)

The initial list, posted by Peter Chong, compared
70 Sumerian words to Finnish, Hungarian, Turkish,
and Mongolian, showing what many people would see
to be similarities between those languages...

As people having an allergy to such a possibility
often do, you and a couple others displayed their
"pre-wired" reaction and jumped to dismiss it, by
picking on a single word out of that list...

And the "father" word you chose was obviously one
of the easiest targets. (as it is among the words
most questionable in such comparisons)

But what happened to the rest of the words...? Of
course none of you arrogant smarties has yet been
capable of answering this question...! :)

> Do not laugh! That's is the truth. Sadly enough, due to the
> close society nature of the country that worked in Turkey.
> Everyone swallowed it. They still preach it here to look good
> to their "padrones".

The only thing to laugh at here is your ignorance
trying to cover itself telling irrelevant stories.

The questions are very simple:

"Are there, or are there not similarities between 
"the Sumerian and Finnish, Hungarian, Turkish and
"Mongolian words in the list that was posted...?"

"If there are some similarities, can you find and
"demostrate equal amounts of similarities between
"Sumerian and German, Spanish, Zulu, Cherokee,
"Andes and Kurdish (as you have claimed)...?"

> Just a month ago another "official scientific study" was
> released by an "official scientist", claiming that most
> of the Kurds are Kurdified Turks, as documented by some
> Ottoman deed registrar documents.

It is irrelevant to the subject on hand, but what
"official scientific study" was that, and who was
that "official scientist"...? Have you seen those
Ottoman documents and what proof do you have that
discredits their claim...?

> This is one step forward from the 1982 "official scientific
> research" saying that "all Kurds are Turks, except they live

Same questions as above...

> in snow country and when they walk their shoes make "Kart-Kurt"
> sounds. That's why they call themselves Kurt"!!!!

Are you a "Kart" or a "Kurt" yourself by chance...?

> Do you think I am kidding? No I am absolutely being serious.
> Not a single scientist openly could criticize it. Why not? You
> take a guess. So, what you're reading here is either another
> futile attempt for denial (self probably), or inadvertently
> becoming a tool as a result of years of brainwashing. Either
> case is sad...

All of what you are narrating here (whether true
or not) have nothing to do with the subject here.

Stop dumping irrelevant bull-shit and answer the
questions I asked above...! In case they escaped
your attention, here they are once more:

"Are there, or are there not similarities between 
"the Sumerian and Finnish, Hungarian, Turkish and
"Mongolian words in the list that was posted...?"

"If there are some similarities, can you find and
"demostrate equal amounts of similarities between
"Sumerian and German, Spanish, Zulu, Cherokee,
"Andes and Kurdish (as you claimed)...?"

MK