At 02:41 PM 9/21/96 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Finally, are there any Hungarian customs I should know about? Is there
>anything Americans do that seems strange to Hungarians? (I will be
>participating in a conference attended mostly by Hungarian and Russian
>men: out of 70 participants, only 3 are women!)

Attending conferences with Russian men in Hungary seems pretty strange to me..

>Any advice is appreciated. Koszonom szepen!
>
>Johanna Granville
>
>

Enjoy your visit!  If the conference gets boring, get out and see the City.
Try to make it out to Szentendre, too, which has a number of things to
recommend it, least of which is that went to HS there...

Charles Vamossy
New York Magyar Haz
213 East 82nd Street
New York NY  10028
212 249-9360

In article >, Zsargo Janos
> writes:

>Well, of course there are cultural reasons (among others depending on how
you
>define culture) for being 'troublesome'. You know, Sam, I am not that
stupid.
>I would like you to read again what I wrote. Then you might realize that
I
>was telling something different. Namely, I doubt that the US have (and
had)
>not got powerful 'troublesome' neighbours because of its culture or
cultural
>difference from others. If my English was not clear I am sorry.
>Now let me ask, do you think the US has no problematic neighbours purely
or
>mainly because her culture or cultural difference from others?


Slow down there, pal. We don't disagree all that much on this issue. I
understand that Hungary has had to put up with intrusions by much more
powerful neighbors while the U.S. hasn't. Our neighbors are problematic,
but not in the degree that Hungary's have been during this century. I
expect that will change for the worse for us during the coming century as
the PRI finally falls from power in Mexico. God knows what the next
revolution there will bring, but the upheaval will have a profound impact
here in the U.S. Same thing goes for Canada if Quebec is stupid enough to
pull out of the confederation. All in all, I'd rather have the Canadians
for neighbors than anyone else in the world I can think of. (Shut up,
Joe!) Hungary's problems with her neighbors, however, have been compounded
by intrinsic internal problems of her own and these often have revolved
around ideology. The way for Szalasi's brief reign of terror was paved by
over two decades of authoritarian right-wing government that was so
fixated on overturning the results of Trianon that it could not address
the rapid, dramatic and frightening changes in the central and eastern
European geopolitical environment during the 1930's.
>
>You also wrote:
>
>>What would have happened if French and British soldiers had shown up in
>>enough numbers and with rules of engagement that made it clear that the
>>Serbs would pay an overwhelming cost for continuing the genocide?
>
>and also:
>
>>Amen to that last sentence, little brother! The point is, however, that
we
>>made the commitment when Europe wouldn't. Somalia proves what our
military
>>planners are talking about when they say they don't want to undertake
such
>>missions unless we have clear-cut, attainable goals and well-planned
>>strategies for getting in and getting out.
>
>Don't you think the later could have been written about Bosnia? (without
of
>course the "we made......Europe wouldn't") In other words the French and
>Brits
>have tried but it was not a well planned action, just like Somalia. In
both
>case
>the idea was that warring parties will respect the mighty power of the
> 'westerners'
>and when it turned out to be false these 'westerners' weren't really
willing
>to seriously engage the conflict.
>In Bosnia, the turning point was when finally the NATO (mainly the US)
used
>military force. You are absolutly right it should have been
>done much earlier. But you know Russia was (is?) more or less behind the
>Serbs
>and if only the Europeans engage in conflict it might have not impressed
the
> Russians
>too much as the Europeans represent far less military power than the US.
This
>could reduce considerably the Europian courage to strike the Serbs alone.
>Also if the US wait longer she might have found herself in a more serious
> problem.

Hmmm. You're on the verge of snatching my argument and claiming it as your
own. The U.S. could have waited forever to intervene in Bosnia. There's no
clear-cut advantage to our being there. That's what's different about
American foreign policy. Western European governments almost invariably
operate from a near-ruthless perspective of realpolitik. The U.S. does,
too, for the most part. But we also, on occasion, do things because it's
the right thing to do. Western European governments (and their polity)
often sneer at us for being "Boy Scouts" when we do.
>
>>Americans are taho'sok only in the degree that they don't allow
themselves
>>to be seduced en masse by bad ideas. Too bad you didn't learn anything
>>yourself during your sojourn here. So much arrogance on your part and so
>>little foundation of accomplishment for it to rest on. And quite
>>un-Hungarian, I might add.
>>Sam Stowe
>
>I don't know in what degree the Americans are "taho'sok", I was not
talking
>about THE Americans but about AN American. After reading your posts I
have
>the impression that you are who look down others (in this case the
Europians)
>and bashing others' culture.
>
>J.Zs

If I weren't interested in others' culture, why would I spend so much time
as a participant on a list about Hungary? Use your head, Janos. Europeans
-- not all, certainly, but we've sure had our share on this list --
gainsay the U.S. reflexively at every turn without taking the time to
actually become acquainted with the country, its history and its culture.
Like it or not, your generation of Hungarians has a lot of positive things
to learn from the U.S. (and Canada, too, for that matter), things that can
help Hungary overcome the suffering it has endured during this century and
make sure it never inflicts such misery on itself again. That won't
happen, however, until you swallow a little bit of your pride and actually
learn something about us. Smug Europeans who can't see beyond the
boundaries of their own cultural orientation are a dime a dozen. So are
Americans. The ones who can transcend those boundaries will be the ones
best positioned to offer something back to their respective nations.
Sam Stowe

"I remember the book depository where
They crowned the King of Cuba..."
-- They Might Be Giants, "Purple Toupee"

In article >, Aniko Dunford
> writes:

>Edgar A Quest - Sermons we See:
>
>"I'd rather see a sermon, than hear one any day
>I'd rather one would walk with me, then merely show the way
>The eye's a better pupil and more willing than the ear
>Fine counsel is confusing, but example's always clear
>And the best of all the preachers, are the men who live their creeds
>For to see the good in action is what everybody needs
>I can soon learn how to do it, if you'll let me see it done
>I can watch your hands in action, but your tongue too fast may run
>And the lectures you deliver, may be very wise and true
>But I'd rather get my lesson, by observing what you do
>For I may misunderstand you and the high advice you give, but there's no
>misunderstanding in how you act and how you live".
>
>

Yeah! This one's going up on the wall in my office. Thanks, Aniko.
Sam Stowe

"I remember the book depository where
They crowned the King of Cuba..."
-- They Might Be Giants, "Purple Toupee"

At 02:41 PM 9/21/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello. I'm going to Budapest for the first time. Can anyone tell me what
>type of electricity the Hungarians use? Is it different from the
>American system? Is it necessary to bring a converter (for American
>hairdryers, for example)?
Have a super trip!  (It's a nice time of the year for Bpest)!  The voltage
is 220(50cycles) and yes, you will need  both a converter and an adapter
(most Canadian overseas inflight services offer kits - can't comment on the
American ones, but they are rather difficult to find in Hungary.

>Also, what is the current exchange rate in Budapest? How much does one
>dollar equal?
About a week ago, the exchange rate was fluctuating between140-60
Forints/1$US. To my knowledge 140 has been the absolute minimum for the last
few months.
>
>Finally, are there any Hungarian customs I should know about? Is there
>anything Americans do that seems strange to Hungarians? (I will be
>participating in a conference attended mostly by Hungarian and Russian
>men: out of 70 participants, only 3 are women!)
Oh Boy!!! You *will* Have an interersting time! (Watch that vodka and
palinka) - as for Hungarian customs common sense prevails.  In my
experience, most especially the business sector is extremely open and
accepting of others' customs and practices.  I have not noticed signs of
demand from them that "transit visitors" are expected to adopt their customs
- quite the contrary.  Although I have noticed that Hungarian businessmen in
general do not like being put down, or made to feel inferior by Americans -
of course you may substitute the words Hungarian and American for just about
any other nationality under the sun.

Have a great and successful trip!

Best regards,
Aniko Dunford

Dear Internet/Newsgroup  Reader !

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we seek  to  utilize  the  opportunities  offered by the Internet in
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the
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Sam - At 08:43 AM 9/22/96 -0400, you wrote to Zsargo Janos:

<snip>

>Like it or not, your generation of Hungarians has a lot of positive things
>to learn from the U.S. (and Canada, too, for that matter), things that can
>help Hungary overcome the suffering it has endured during this century and
>make sure it never inflicts such misery on itself again. That won't
>happen, however, until you swallow a little bit of your pride and actually
>learn something about us. Smug Europeans who can't see beyond the
>boundaries of their own cultural orientation are a dime a dozen. So are
>Americans. The ones who can transcend those boundaries will be the ones
>best positioned to offer something back to their respective nations.
>Sam Stowe

Bravo Sam!!!  I could not agree more with your thoughts.
Aniko

In article >, Joe Szalai
> writes:

>Tell me Sam, did most American men get aroused when Big Bill launched the
>cruise missiles against Iraq?  Did you?
>
>Joe Szalai

No, I'm afraid that for me, as Freud might have put it, sometimes a
missile is just a missile.
Sam Stowe

"I remember the book depository where
They crowned the King of Cuba..."
-- They Might Be Giants, "Purple Toupee"

In article >, Zsargo Janos
> you wrote:

part of your response to Sam Stowe:
<Sznip>
>I don't know in what degree the Americans are "taho'sok", I was not
talking
>about THE Americans but about AN American. After reading your posts I
have
>the impression that you are who look down others (in this case the
Europians)
>and bashing others' culture.
>J.Zs

Allow me to say that your "impression" is faulty. My thought is that Sam
has
a great aversion to stupidity! His witt is biting (sometimes has a jagged
edge) and sometimes people don't get it.
Sam seems to appreciate cultural differences, so he could not be
one to  "bash(ing) others' culture" and certainly would not be a regular
on this list. Lastly, why do you think he is a 'taho',  I thought "taho"
meant, you were like: "duh", uneducated, uncultured and from the back
woods. He comes across as
a well read and learned person.

As far as Zoli Sz. is concerned, he has quite a few lessons to learn
before he matures. I just hope he will learn his first lesson quickly,
which is:
 At all times keep an open mind!

Regards,
Marina

If you have access to the WWW try http://www.hungary.com you will find
answers to your questions and a lot more.

Enjoy your stay in Hungary

Alex

J. Zs. writes:

> Don't you think the later could have been written about Bosnia? (without
of
> course the "we made......Europe wouldn't") In other words the French and
Brits
> have tried but it was not a well planned action, just like Somalia. In
both case
> the idea was that warring parties will respect the mighty power of the
>  'westerners'
> and when it turned out to be false these 'westerners' weren't really
willing
> to seriously engage the conflict.
> In Bosnia, the turning point was when finally the NATO (mainly the US)
used
> military force. You are absolutly right it should have been
> done much earlier. But you know Russia was (is?) more or less behind the
Serbs
> and if only the Europeans engage in conflict it might have not impressed
the
>  Russians
> too much as the Europeans represent far less military power than the US.

Well, they can always ally with the Chechens. That would make the Europeans
into a military power.

Regards,Jeliko.

I would like to dedicate my essay to those who gave their lives for freedom.

P.I.Hidas

DAY TWO

Wednesday, 24 October 1956

 Soviet armoured column entered Budapest at 4:30 a.m., reportedly at the
request of Gero. Imre Nagy appointed Premier to succeed Hegedus. Kadar
accused demonstrators of trying to restore capitalism and warned them to
surrender. Fighting continued.
Calendar of Events in Hungary prepared by the staff of the Department of
External Affairs for use in connection with the Special Session of the
Canadian House of Commons November 26, 1956.(1)


        Canadians first read about the outbreak of a revolution in Budapest
in their daily papers. "Hungarians Riot All Night," headlined the early
morning edition of the Toronto Globe and Mail.(2)  The Montreal Star(3)
placed the news on the front page: "350 Dead in Hungary Riot." The Winnipeg
Free Press(4)  gave a romantic characterization of the Hungarian people:
"Hungarians unlike the Czechs are the least calculating, the most fiercely
impetuous and romantic of European peoples...They are not satisfied to
snatch a few apples from the tree of freedom; their instinct is to shake
the tree until the fruit rains down."

        The prominent members of the Hungarian-Canadian community promptly
set to work on behalf of their kinfolk. Within hours Prime Minister Louis
St Laurent's office had received numerous telegrams. "In the name of the
Grand Committee of the Hungarian Churches and Societies of Montreal, I beg
Your Excellency and the Canadian Government, to intervene and protest with
the Russian government..." pleaded Dr. Francis Saad, the spokesman of the
Montreal Hungarians.(5) The president of a small Toronto cultural
association, the Hungarian Helicon, also addressed St Laurent: "Dear Prime
Minister:" he telegraphed Ottawa, "We request you to take immediate action
against Russian interference in Hungarian internal affairs and to give all
possible help to the Hungarian people fighting for freedom and
independence."(6)  The Prime Minister's Office could not act promptly. L.B.
Pearson had to be consulted at External Affairs and more information was
needed from diplomatic posts, from Canada's NATO allies, especially in
London and in New York.

        Meanwhile, Canadian editorialists  advised caution.  The Winnipeg
Free Press (7)  warned: "With perils abounding in Eastern Europe, the
Western powers will be wise  to follow a policy of quiet wariness. It is no
time to add the provocations of an aggressive diplomacy to those of the
Budapest streets." The Conservative Globe and Mail8  in Toronto was more
phlegmatic: "The change we appear to be witnessing in Eastern Europe is
very gradual." Both of these influential papers suggested the adoption of a
wait-and-see policy. They saw no reason for the disruption of the  gradual
"thaw"  in East-West relations during the past three years. The renewal of
the Cold War, the interruption of reviving commercial contacts and the
provocation of Russia were all undesirable options.

1)  NAC, RG 2, 90-91/154, Box 47, File H-17-1 (b).

2) 24 October 1956.

3) Ibid.

4) Ibid.

5)Telegram to the Prime Minister,  24 October 1956, NAC, RG 2, 90-91/154,
Box 108,
        File H-17-1.

6) Ibid.

7) 24 October 1956.

8) Ibid.



Peter I. Hidas
Montreal

Aniko Dunford wrote:
>
> Sam - At 08:43 AM 9/22/96 -0400, you wrote to Zsargo Janos:
>
> <snip>
>
> >Like it or not, your generation of Hungarians has a lot of positive things
> >to learn from the U.S. (and Canada, too, for that matter), things that can
> >help Hungary overcome the suffering it has endured during this century and
> >make sure it never inflicts such misery on itself again. That won't
> >happen, however, until you swallow a little bit of your pride and actually
> >learn something about us. Smug Europeans who can't see beyond the
> >boundaries of their own cultural orientation are a dime a dozen. So are
> >Americans. The ones who can transcend those boundaries will be the ones
> >best positioned to offer something back to their respective nations.
> >Sam Stowe
>
> Bravo Sam!!!  I could not agree more with your thoughts.
> Aniko

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------


The boundaries of the cultural orientation of that
dozen Smug European is called WESTERN CIVILIZATION.

Cultures could exist within or outside civilization.
If you do not accept a value system defined by the past 500 years
you are defying the civilization.


Albert Albu

This note may be a bit disjointed but this weekend I read hundreds
of articles from Hungarian newspapers collected in a publication called
*Tallozo.* *Tallozo" means "digest," but unlike Reader's Digest *Tallozo*
republishes newspaper articles in their entirety. It also includes
provincial papers, not just the large national dailies. In addition,
interviews on the radio and on television are also included. Here I simply
collected bits and pieces of news which I found intriguing one way or the
other. The first articles appeared more than a month ago--in the middle of
August.

        (1). An interview with Istvan Hajdu, who is the new president of the
Hungarian Radio. Date is August 14, program: "Nap-nyugta." From the
interview we learn that currently there are 93 "directors, deputy directors,
chief departmental heads, and [ordinary] departmental heads" at the
Hungarian Radio! What was the new president's very first step? He appointed
two new ones! But he claims that it bothers him to no end that the Hungarian
Radio is actually close to bankruptcy! It also turns out that Istvan Hajdu
is less radical in his ideas about reorganization of the MR (Magyar Radio).
While his deputies want to let go fifty percent of the employees, he is
thinking more in terms of forty percent. And one way of reducing the
numbers: simply not counting them in. For example, there is a publication
called "Radio ujsag," with its own editorial board. Hajdu thinks that it
should let lose from the Radio and see how it fares on the market place.
What do you think?

        (2). More discussion about the role of the media. Perhaps I
mentioned it earlier but with the reappearance of the post-communists, the
media became rather meek and mild. No more hard-hitting articles in the
liberal-socialist papers. The worst offender is *Nepszabadsag," the former
official paper of the MSZMP. But even *168 ora,* a weekly, whose leanings
are more toward the SZDSZ, has lost its "independence." Istvan Eorsi, one of
the founding fathers of SZDSZ, actually told so to the interviewing
journalist of *168 ora* itself a couple of weeks ago. Apparently, the
socialist-liberal papers themselves start to realize that there is something
wrong with the "freedom of the press," and they themselves publish articles
critical of the media's attitude. A certain Peter Gyorgy published an
article in *Nepszabadsag* about the problem: "What is the freedom of press
for?" He lists forty-one different topics the Hungarian media either forgot
or didn't want to ask. A journalist of *Elet es Irodalom* asks the
Nepszabadsag to begin with the very first and to continue until they reach
all forty-one. I don't think it will ever happen.

        (3). I find that the provincial papers are much more conservative
(right-wing, if you like) than the national papers coming out of Budapest. A
paper from Hodmezovasarhely (August 22, A 7 naprol) compares today the
situation after Mohacs. I assume most of you know that the battle of Mohacs
at which the Hungarians suffered a very serious defeat by the Turks (1526)
is considered to be a national tragedy. Hungarians look upon Mohacs like
Serbs look upon Kosovo. According to a journalist called Arpad Peter, we are
worse off today than we were after Mohacs! That piece of awful demagoguery
at least was hidden in a provincial paper in one, short paragraph. But a
right-wing journalist from Budapest (Istvan Stefka) must have discovered it
and the idea was elaborated on. He wrote a whole, long article comparing
Mohacs to today. (*Ez a het,* August 30). According to him, the situation
today is even worse than after Mohacs and in every possible way:
economically, politically, and morally.

        That's for now. Tomorrow, if time allows, I would like to report on
the state of SZDSZ.

        Until then, best wishes, Eva Balogh

At 08:43 AM 9/22/96 -0400, Sam Stowe wrote:

<snip>
>All in all, I'd rather have the Canadians for neighbors than anyone
>else in the world I can think of. (Shut up, Joe!)

Sorry, but a provocation is a provocation.

Tell you what, Sam.  Someone should hire Cristo (I think that's the guys
name) to build a 10 meter high catoptric wall along the Canadian-American
border.  That way you'd like Canadians even more.  Such a wall around
Hungary may not be a bad idea either.  It would soothe some of the more
rabid xenophobic nationalists there.

Joe Szalai

Albert:

May I humbly suggest that you take a quick course in "Being able to
interpret basic written English".  While your comments as below *might* have
merit on their own,  I fail to to see their relevance to the posting I
commented on.

Regards,
Aniko
>
>The boundaries of the cultural orientation of that
>dozen Smug European is called WESTERN CIVILIZATION.
>
>Cultures could exist within or outside civilization.
>If you do not accept a value system defined by the past 500 years
>you are defying the civilization.
>
>
>Albert Albu
>
>

I am a French citizen and I am going to work in Hungary from December
96.
    I am interested in anybody living in Budapest or around cause I'm
gonna work there.
    I am interested as well in any good place to go in Hungary/Budapest
and particularly to go out and celebrate.

   I am interested in any messages...

At 10:44 PM 9/20/96 -0400, Sam Stowe, in one of his more gushy moments, wrote:

>Zut alors! Eva is deconstructing me!

And in public yet!  Oh well.  At least you can count yourself lucky.  Did
you see what she did to me a week ago?  Not a pretty picture!  It's much
worse than deconstruction.  She disengaged me.  Publicly!

>I am honored and touched, both at the
>same time. Yet I fear she is casting her pearls before swine.

Why is it that whenever I cast my jewels I only get derisory comments?  What
am I doing wrong?

Joe Szalai

"Death is a displaced name for a linguistic predicament."
                Paul de Man

In article >,
 says...
>
>--- Forwarded mail from  (Mark Humphreys)
>
>Date: Wed, 18 Sep 96 09:55:09 EDT
>From:  (Mark Humphreys)
>To: 
>
>Subject: Intermediary
>
>
>Mark Humphreys asked me to forward the following post to the list.
>
>Bob Hosh
>
>I strongly recommend to every one who is interested in this debate to
take out the video of the "Quarrel" - starring R.H. Thomson and (if I
remember well) Saul Rubinek.  It is about these two characters, who once
were studying in the same jeshiva together in Poland.  They both survived
the holocaust, and one became a chassidic rabbi, the other an atheist.
They meet and have a debate about why they became what they became.

Agnes
>
>Mr. Szekely,
>
>I enjoyed your posting and sharing of the Simone Weil quote with us,
however...
>it would have been more enjoyable to have simply sent her lovely quote
w/o
>adding your slightly clumsy foreword by calling my "and my (a)likes"
god-
>bashers.
>
>Sorry, but I am not necessarily a god-basher. I simply think people who
use a
>god to bash others are pitiful.
>
>It's sad to listen to people believe they know and can even judge for a
god,
>when no one can really be sure of its existence. (If you disagree w/
this,
>then you will have do explain the role of "having faith!") Although, I
feel
>having faith can mean "believe w/o thinking or questioning." Many *want*
to
>believe in a god, so they believe... others don't want to or need to.
>
>You seem to have a lot of faith in your religion, but I wonder how deep
or use-
>ful faith has been for your understanding when you could not even answer
a
>number of my questions regarding Christianity and the Catholic Church's
earthly
>history! Faith does not necessarily bring any enlightenment.
>
>Finally, I do not feel one must believe in a god in order to love life
and
>appreciate beauty. As a matter of fact, I know a number of
god-worshippers who
>are so obesessed with hell, sins and death that they seem to be missing
the
>world around them. How sad.   THEY seem more tormented by their beliefs
than
>blessed!  Without a heaven or hell to continually cry and fret over,
relaxing
>and appreciating this world is not always hard for me.
>
>If anyone on the List believes that their god deals out sicknesses and
horror
>on
>people and even animals because they 'go against His way,' I'd be
interested in
>hearing their interpretation on why wonderful Ms. Weil got untimely sick
and
>died at such an early age. What did she do wrong?
>
>Thank you,
>Mark
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>--- End of forwarded mail from  (Mark
Humphreys)

Aniko Dunford wrote:
>
> Albert:
>
> May I humbly suggest that you take a quick course in "Being able to
> interpret basic written English".  While your comments as below *might* have
> merit on their own,  I fail to to see their relevance to the posting I
> commented on.
>
> Regards,
> Aniko
> >
> >The boundaries of the cultural orientation of that
> >dozen Smug European is called WESTERN CIVILIZATION.
> >
> >Cultures could exist within or outside civilization.
> >If you do not accept a value system defined by the past 500 years
> >you are defying the civilization.
> >
> >
> >Albert Albu
> >
> >
---------------------------

Aniko,


I meant disagreeing whit you and Sam.

We speak about Hungary.

The Hungarian culture is part of and transcends in to the Western
Civilization and, has no contradiction with its values. This is not true
pf all cultures. In one extreme the Serbs were never part of it others as
the Germans have deliberately rejected it in the XIX-c. Modernism to
which American cultural elite subscribes in a large proportion is also in
revolt with the value structure of the Western Civilization. With my
knowledge there is no other common value system of the western cultures
but what we call Western Civilization. Thus I do not understand in what
else one could transcend. Most of the cultural elite of North America
could transcend in a chaos or as is fashionable to be called  an
Experiment or series of experiments.


AA

To anyone who can help who speaks Hungarian....The group "Rock Szinhaz"
presented a rock opera based on the
Emperor Nero .  I do not read Hungarian, but I am fascinated by the language,
especially the musicals presented by Rock
Szinhaz.    I was wondering if there is a translation of the songs or at least
the story line.  Can anyone at least translate the
following song titles:

     Merget Claudiusnak
     Munkaorgia
     Hasznalj ki minden percet!
     Amig elek kerdeznem kell
     Babszinhaz az elet
     Tortenelmi lecke
     Az eminens csaszar lesz
     Reklam es atszervezes
     Britannicus balesete
     Csak tenne vegre asszonnya
     A szeretet neveben


I could go on....but at least this would give me start.  Also, does Rock
Szinhaz still present musicals?  I thoroughly enjoy the
performances of Kovats Kriszta (Evita) ; Sasvari Sandor, Nagy Aniko, Csengeri
Attila.

Thank you


Arthur

In article >,  writes:

>The boundaries of the cultural orientation of that
>dozen Smug European is called WESTERN CIVILIZATION.
>
>Cultures could exist within or outside civilization.
>If you do not accept a value system defined by the past 500 years
>you are defying the civilization.
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>Albert Albu
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Al, in all seriousness I think you need to talk to your doctor. While I
did not, and still don't, agree with you on most issues, at least you were
coherent when you first appeared here a month or two ago. That has not
been the case in your most recent posts. I'm not kidding here -- the
quality of the writing in your posts has deteriorated markedly in a short
amount of time. I think you need to get yourself checked out. I'd feel a
lot better about flaming you if you did.
Sam Stowe

"I remember the book depository where
They crowned the King of Cuba..."
-- They Might Be Giants, "Purple Toupee"

Kedves Jeliko,

May I ask you what was your intention when you wrote this:

>Well, they can always ally with the Chechens. That would make the
>Europeans into a military power.

Simple you are making fun with the Europians, or you had something to say?

J.Zs