George Antony Ph 93818 > wrote:
>
>The original article's author must have confused the Opera House and
>the Pesti Vigado - if not the Parliament ;-).

That crossed my mind, too.

Joe

George Jalsovszky > wrote:
>
>Why not, I am sure they are clever enough to move the Danube river front to
>the Opera House.

Ah...  I don't think the Andrassy Avenue is wide enough to take it. ;-)
>
>P.S.: Pfujjjj, csunya, csunya bogatyas bacsi.
>Ilyesmin fennakadni?
>Az idegen szep, azt okositani kell, ha butus. :-)

Hat en mar csak ilyen ka'ka'n is csomot kereso vagyok.

PJ

On 22 Apr 1996, R0498 wrote:

> In Malay "I love you" would be
> " Aku Chinta Padamu"
> In Japanese it would be 
> " I sterio"
> In French it would be
> "Je'taime"
> In Nepali it would be as you know
> " Mo temili prem garda chu"
> 
> En Japones
  " Shi mi mamalloro "

  En chino:
  " Tu chichita kaida "

  En tailandes
  " Yokero tuchico "

In article >,  > wrote:

| 
| Jellen szellemi osszecsapast (illetve ellenfel meg nem jelenese eseten
| meg konnyebb gyozelmet)....

En is igy vertem meg Kaszparovot sakkban... A piszok
megijedt a folenyemtol es meg sem jelent. De mar nem is
csodalkoztam, hiszen elozo nap ugaynigy futamodott meg
elolem Shaquille O'Neal, akit kosarlabda bunteto dobas
pareviadalra hivtam ki. Hiaba, nincs meg egy olyan kosaras,
vagy sakkozo amilyen en vagyok!

Budapest Bank has a branch in Gyor.

Address: Bajcsy-Zsilinszky str. 18.
	 H-9021 GYOR

Tel:	 36 96 326444
Fax: 	 36 96 326555

They have ATM access. The ATM accepts any EC/MC card.

>BTW, how many digits/characters do ATMs in Hungary require?  4? 5?  I don't kn
ow what do you mean, but the PIN code is 4 digit in Hungary.

Geza Hujber, Gyor

In article >,  (Tzar 7) wrote:

: Whoever is collecting a list of different translations of "I love you"
: would you please send me a list of what you have so far. thanks,
: 
I.m interested as well. )

Edwin Esser

In article >,
   T. Kocsis > wrote:
[...]
Your post is brilliantly describing the situation of Hungary!

You made me thinking what being liberal really means. I always considered 
myself thinking in a liberal way. You seem to hate this at least if it is done 
in the western way. According to your opinion, based on Hungarian culture can 
somebody be liberal?

Hamvas made me nervous whenever I read him. Maybe I have to try again.


Szaszvari Peter
(http://iap11.ethz.ch/users/szp/szp.htm)

Hello;


I am looking into my mothers family history.  We are stuck on the name
Zannin and his cousin Zanin.  We do not know what nation they came
from.  Any ideas?

DSHAW

R0498 wrote:
> 
> In Malay "I love you" would be
> " Aku Chinta Padamu"

In tagalog (Pilipino):    Mahal kita

Istvan Szucs > wrote:
>
>And that is because I use the word hacker the same wasy as
>many professionals writing about security...

I told you that computer professionals don't use it that way and if you
would like to be taken seriously in that field, you shouldn't either.
Let that wrong usage stay with the computer illiterates.  If you don't
believe me, I could quote you from the answers I've got on this issue
on one of the Linux news groups.  I am not willing to carry on any
more arguments with you on this subject and I suggest you, too, post an
article with your views on that in some specialized computer hobbyist
news group and see what answers you'll get.

>yuour statement said that a friend with a root account
>opened thousands of opportunities for Elek. In fact a root
>account on  a system (outside the system and trusted ssytems
>of Ilona's computer have very little privilege, and no
>privileged access to Ilona's computers.

This just shows you really have a problem in comprehension.  For I never
wrote what you are trying to imply here.  I don't think you can tell me
anything new about root account privileges.

>| Well, one of these days you ought to diagram that sentence to us to make
>| sense out of it.  It does not as it is.
>This was in response to you acknowledging Fekete and Hollosi
>as those knowledgavble about systems administration. I am
>calling your attention that you are then implying that if
>either of them usd hacker for someone3 who illegally ienters
>a system that should be sufficient for you to allow that
>hacker is 

This is still a gibberish to me.
>
>He is not my buddy. This question was a reply of an
>extremely  question you asked on the net recently - though
>it was not me you asked.

Extremely question ...  figures.
The meaning of "buddy" in the context meant only "birds of a feather".

>What makes you think he is using a fake identity?
>I have no reason to believe he is usinga fake identity.
>That is not the case with Viktoria Ilona.

'Scuse me!!  I should have written "no identity", for he is not signing
any of his letters, except with initials.  Not that I care, just that
how different is that from somebody using a "pen name"; quite common and
accepted in the literary world.  Would you be happier if she used that
Finnish anonymous server?

>I have acknowledged multiple times that Elek has violated
>netiquette by posting hBDthe letter. When are you going to
>acknowledge anything  of the obvious wrongdoings of Ilona
>Viktoria?

First, netiquette is not "The Law"; it's only an advisory, which at one
time or another, almost everybody violates without any sanctions.
I think in case of Elek, we are suspecting him with more than just
violating the netiquette.
Second, what did Ilona do that's comparable to that?  She advocates some
ideas you don't like?
>
>I speak for myself. IU have no allies, or buddies when it
>comes to posting and responding to posts. PLease limit your
>criticism to me to things that I did or do.

Comprehension problem again.  I explicitly mentioned that the 'you' was
meant in plural.  Since you became an almost de facto spokesman for those
I mean by that 'you', I figured I might as well address it to you.

>I don't blame you  for Pellionisz' lies, nor for what Toth wrote. I have
>no influence and have nopt done anything illegal or
>unfair. Nor do I strive to ruin anyone's livelihood. I do
>however demand the respoect to be measured and judged by
>what I do.

From me you get more respect than you probably deserve for your constant
siding with that side I oppose.  On the other hand, you couldn't have
seen many messages from me commenting on what those siliconvalley guys
post.
>
>Never said it was. But how about unauthorized use of an
>account - her son's account? If it was her son's university
>account it is unlikely that she was authorizewd to post
>messages on it especially using a name that is neither her
>sons' nor her own. 

Oh boy!  You really reached the bottom of the barrel with that one!
Good luck!  I've had enough of you!

Joe

In article >, Teddy > wrote:
>
>The first part of my prev.posting did not succeed to fit on screen
>so I try again (Sorry!).
>
>His Majesty St. Stephen the first christian king of the hungarians was
>canonised ("made saint"), in 1083 august 15 under the reign of St. Laszlo.
>St. Stephen was Apostlic King, who converted the nation on Christianity

Though I mostly agree with your post, but for a "Teddy", your English
is rather strange sounding.  "His Majesty St. Stephen?"  You've gotta' be
kiddin'!

Joe

R0498 wrote:
> 
> In Malay "I love you" would be
> " Aku Chinta Padamu"
> In Japanese it would be
> " I sterio"
> In French it would be
> "Je'taime"
> In Nepali it would be as you know
> " Mo temili prem garda chu"
In Klingon it is Nach K'repang

In article > T. Kocsis, 
writes:
>The problem with these geniuses, that if they are not reconci-
>led they become demonical because the geniuses are archeo-
>tipical qualities. It results the tipical Hungarian irrational
>hatred to each other.

I have a little time to continue. Also, the St. Stephen thread
by Teddy (undeservedly exaggregated  ) forces me to write
something on the Hungarian religiousness.

All of the misery of Hungariannes nicely goes back till
St. Stephen, he formed  - however unintently - the nation
that resulted this hatred and unsociableness.

First, I would like to elaborate on few concepts that Hamvas
prefers to use describing nations and societies. He uses the
terminology of Indian society and talks about castes, but not
in the social meaning of their original exlucisiveness, heritab-
leness and uncrossableness. He rather concentrates on  the  co-
operation among castes (because of the division  of tasks in
the  society).  He says that no society can function properly
without one of its basic castes.

In our Hungarian case the relation of two top castes, the
brahmam (teacher, spiritual leader) and ksatrija (soldier,
politician, buerocrat) is wrongly defined from the beginning.
The brahman should be on the top, as the Vatican was more or
less the spiritual centre of Europe until the renaissance. 

What happened, the ksatrija leadership (lead by St. Stephen)
completelly destroyed the old and ancient brahman caste and tried 
to replace them with a new one,  by the christianism.

What did go wrong ? Everything.

Never in history caste of ksatrija managed to build spiritual
leadership or culture. In the hand of ksatrija everything becomes
(or degrade) to political problem to be solved.  In our case it defi-
nitely did not help either, that they *forced*  brutally the new
religion .
With their intervention,  they placed the religion on the playfield
of politics even to those castes who were not ksatrija.  And the
history managed to keep religion always on the playfield of politics.
The hatred against west and christianism goes back to this point.
The religion of the  subjugated, despised and humuliated Europe
had to be taken. The Hungarian nation have never forgiven that.

Bad religion is worse than unreligiousness.

The Hungarian history is built up from  mosaics of the work of
great ksatrija kings as Matyas, Nagy Lajos, and between them
nothing, just nihil. There is no -even traces of - continuity, because
the caste which could have built (and function as) continuity (culture)
were missing.

The lack of the caste which may build a culture, the adhesive
force of a nation paired with the unlucky choice of place. The Car-
pathian basin is placed  in the intersection of several characte-
ristical geniuses. Without appropiate brahman mentality no syn-
thesis of them were  possible.

Only brutal shocks from outside  could manage to unit the Hun-
garian nation.  Mohacs and Trianon. Otherwise the nation is diving
with delight into smallscale political fights against each other,
whose scenario was developed to brutal perfection during the
forgone 1100 years.

That resulted the tipical Hungarian attitude of l'art pour l'art
hatred.  We enjoy to ruin other's life, if we have chance we even
go to the extreme, and try to eliminate the opponent physically .
What other people have difficulty to understand, (because they
speculate on rational ground) why Hungarians denounced each other
to the extent those the occupation forces (German , Russian) sud-
denly were not able to handle the huge amount of letter they got.
They can not that understan because it is irrational. A Hungarian
does not expect any gain out of it. He is irrational, he enjoys it.

As Moldova put it into words: The reason of life is to kick the horse
shit away from the lame sparrow. 

What is also bloody difficult to understand to foreigners that
why Hungarians can not take the western way of life, is quite simple
for us. Three out of our five geniuses is basicly place individuality,
the self, on top. Only in a western county can someone gain higher
quality of life by giving up something form the self, the ego by
becoming a tiny element of a (functioning) society. 
This either under  the east, byzant or north genius means giving
up and becoming servant, slave. Because we don't trust each other,
we don't believe that the other will give also up some selfishness
and will not take the opportunity to destroy nicely.

That's why I hate the liberals because they talk as westerners but
otherwise they *act* as  Hungarian ksatrija. I know them by heart,
'cose I've grown up here, and I can smell their stinky tricks,  they 
are  the well-known old ones. They have nothing spiritual, they are
just ksatrija. We have quite enough ksatrija mentality  without them.

The western genius can not be the material on which the hungarian
culture is to be built. Simply because west has never had culture.
They are just cultivated. Besides Europe is decadent and on the decline
since the German-Roman empire collapsed. That was the point when
Europe  was something more than a chapter in a history book.

Tamás (east, erdely)

In article >,  (Tzar 7) wrote:

: Whoever is collecting a list of different translations of "I love you"
: would you please send me a list of what you have so far. thanks,
: 
I.m interested as well. )

Edwin Esser

In article > T. Kocsis, 
writes:
>That's why I hate the liberals because they talk as westerners but
>otherwise they *act* as  Hungarian ksatrija. I know them by heart,
>'cose I've grown up here, and I can smell their stinky tricks,  they 
>are  the well-known old ones. They have nothing spiritual, they are
>just ksatrija. We have quite enough ksatrija mentality  without them.

>The western genius can not be the material on which the hungarian
>culture is to be built. Simply because west has never had culture.
>They are just cultivated. Besides Europe is decadent and on the decline
>since the German-Roman empire collapsed. That was the point when
>Europe  was something more than a chapter in a history book.

I deeply regretted  that I put these two paragraphs at the end of my
previous letter. It is against the genius of Hamvas. He was a guy with
a very strong south mentality, definitely not ksatrija, since he had
to write to his chest of drawer during all the communist years till his
death because he belonged to the third 'T'.  But he did not mind that.
His political (??) views are rather a view of a religious anarchist
outsider. I don't like his liberalism (yes, he was)  but i am able to
tolerate that.

I must emphasize: it was not my intent to put his works out as a bait
to our goddamn liberalbolshevik hyenas. These two paragraphs are
my conclusions. :-) :-)

I still have some time left so I continue on the liberal bashing.

The hungarian genius of the west is not the same as the genius of
the west let say in Germany or in north France. It is still  anta-
ginistic to our other geniuses (and vice versa)  but it is  a tamed,
adapted version to the 'ugar' (fallow) . This genius had its strong-
holds in western Hungary and in the cities, in the population of our
German origin minority. They had their ksatrija leadership, plus
an econonomical monopoly in their bourgeois caste through cen-
turies.

And there came this here-never-seen african genius which with
a fast attack took the economical strongholds of the people of the
west genius and began to danger their political as well. I would say,
they are fuckin' lucky that they got away with few thousands of
casualties. They started to act as ksatrija, so they exposed
themself to the Hungarian way of ksatrija politics. The western
genius can be very nasty, as it turned out in Europe during WWII.

The ksatrija's of other hungarian geniuses did not care either;
they did not mind having one less seriuos player on the field to
keep an eye on. It also means that they were accepted as true
Hungarians. We -eastern people- are very generous and friendly
to aliens, we only try to destoy our kins.  ;-) 

Now we can see this American style liberal political shit
which is outright alien to the Hungarian politics, played by a
group of self-appointed ksatrija which adapted the genius of
byzant (oh no, not the erdely version, the turned to the roots and
took the Russian species ), and funnily they try to play also the
western card.
This will not work.  It is a nice try, better than Szecheny's try
with his exclusive western genius because if something, that
was hopeless. He even did not realized that there are other
geniuses around.

I would say, nothing will work from political ground. It did not
help that the liberalbolsheviks think  they are superior to others
(it is not true we are the ones and always was :) :) :)), but it is a 
minor conflict only. The major is that they don't have any spiritual
munition.

Hungary can not be united on political ground, the last 1100 year
has clearly shown that. The recent way of destroying all the ge-
niuses to a consumer chandala (chandala = the lowest, out of caste,
despised strata) might work (well, shit isn't too stable to build on,
but who knows ?) but that will not be Hungary anymore. 

Tamás

In article > Peter Szaszvari,
 writes:
>Hamvas made me nervous whenever I read him.

You are not alone. He made me angry, or rather his style.
He cares little on the strict logical way of thinking in his
assays, he leaps from thought to thought without grounding
them appropiatelly (at least according to my taste ) or
building them to each other.  On Forum we used to tear
such writer to pieces during no time.

>According to your opinion, based on Hungarian culture can 
>somebody be liberal ?

I think so, but that should be solved by the liberals.  :)
(Whick means I am not able to say any constructive at 
this point) It is a tough question. It is as tough as this one:
How would you pull the conservative side out of the
trianon shock? 

The problem is not the loss of terrritory , but that they seem
to be still under the effect of the historical moment during
the nation (Our Nation as they think) became and stayed a while
united. I think it was cathartic for them, and that's why they are
not able to step over those years. They are the count on that absurd
novel who only could make love when a fiddler were playing and
a bear were dancing beside his bed. During socialism he lost every-
thing but he still liked to listen violin music and found pleasure
to sit on a bench beside the cage of the bears in the zoo.....

Tamás

In article >,  > wrote:
| Istvan Szucs > wrote:
| >
| >And that is because I use the word hacker the same wasy as
| >many professionals writing about security...
| 
| I told you that computer professionals don't use it that way and if you
| would like to be taken seriously in that field, you shouldn't either.
| Let that wrong usage stay with the computer illiterates.  If you don't
| believe me, I could quote you from the answers I've got on this issue
| on one of the Linux news groups.  I am not willing to carry on any
| more arguments with you on this subject and I suggest you, too, post an
| article with your views on that in some specialized computer hobbyist
| news group and see what answers you'll get.


Fine, let's agreee to disagree. I don't need iyour approval,
and I can come up with counterexamples where people who are
no t computer illiterates at any stretch of the imagination
use hackedr in the way I did. The word I maintain can be
used in both ways, but I can live wwith you believing otherwise.

| 
| >yuour statement said that a friend with a root account
| >opened thousands of opportunities for Elek. In fact a root
| >account on  a system (outside the system and trusted ssytems
| >of Ilona's computer have very little privilege, and no
| >privileged access to Ilona's computers.
| 
| This just shows you really have a problem in comprehension.  For I never
| wrote what you are trying to imply here.  I don't think you can tell me
| anything new about root account privileges.

IU will try to find the article.
|  
| >| Well, one of these days you ought to diagram that sentence to us to make
| >| sense out of it.  It does not as it is.
| >This was in response to you acknowledging Fekete and Hollosi
| >as those knowledgavble about systems administration. I am
| >calling your attention that you are then implying that if
| >either of them usd hacker for someone3 who illegally ienters
| >a system that should be sufficient for you to allow that
| >hacker is 
| 
| This is still a gibberish to me.
| >
Too bad.  I tried twice.

| >He is not my buddy. This question was a reply of an
| >extremely  question you asked on the net recently - though
| >it was not me you asked.
| 
| Extremely question ...  figures.

Congratulations on figuring out that a word is missing from
that sentence as I am sure you have noticed I am having some
problems with my account, and often have to type blind. 
Hence my frequent typos.

| The meaning of "buddy" in the context meant only "birds of
a feather".

See below. Just because I agree on some things with some
people does not mean that endorse everything they do or that
I am responsible for any of their actions. 
 I won't take credit or blame for it/them.
| 
| >What makes you think he is using a fake identity?
| >I have no reason to believe he is usinga fake identity.
| >That is not the case with Viktoria Ilona.
| 
| 'Scuse me!!  I should have written "no identity", for he is not signing
| any of his letters, except with initials.

I guess that means that s/he does not attempt to mislead
anyone unlike  about his/her true identity. Unlike Ilona/Viktoria.

|  Not that I care, just that
| how different is that from somebody using a "pen name"; quite common and
| accepted in the literary world.  Would you be happier if she used that
| Finnish anonymous server?

Yes. that would make her identity hidden, not fake.

| >I have acknowledged multiple times that Elek has violated
| >netiquette by posting hBDthe letter. When are you going to
| >acknowledge anything  of the obvious wrongdoings of Ilona
| >Viktoria?
| 
| First, netiquette is not "The Law"; it's only an advisory, which at one
| time or another, almost everybody violates without any sanctions.
| I think in case of Elek, we are suspecting him with more than just
| violating the netiquette.


I have yet to see any evidence even circumstantial that Elek
did anything other than repost that letter without
permission. As I understand that is not punishable by law.


| Second, what did Ilona do that's comparable to that?  She advocates some
| ideas you don't like?

She used a university account that was not hers. Chances are
that  thuse of that account by her is unauthroized and is
contrary to the agreement between her son and the U that
provided the account, especially considering her using a
fake identity. Furhtermore she has openly accused elek of
acrime without backing it up publicly. If she has no further
evidence against him she could be easily guilty of liubel.


| >
| >I speak for myself. IU have no allies, or buddies when it
| >comes to posting and responding to posts. PLease limit your
| >criticism to me to things that I did or do.
| 
| Comprehension problem again.  I explicitly mentioned that the 'you' was
| meant in plural.  Since you became an almost de facto spokesman for those
| I mean by that 'you', I figured I might as well address it
to you.
But you can't. I never claimed to be a spokesman for anyone,
in fact I protest anyone sauggesting that I am. We do not
form a unit of any sort. When you are arguing with me argue
with me. When youare arguing with Elek argue with him. 
| 
| >I don't blame you  for Pellionisz' lies, nor for what Toth wrote. I have
| >no influence and have nopt done anything illegal or
| >unfair. Nor do I strive to ruin anyone's livelihood. I do
| >however demand the respoect to be measured and judged by
| >what I do.
| 
| From me you get more respect than you probably deserve for your constant
| siding with that side I oppose.  On the other hand, you couldn't have
| seen many messages from me commenting on what those siliconvalley guys
| post.

Wnat me to quote some? All you could have seen from me is
agreement with arguments that people make/made. I don';t
know anyone well enough to endorse them. I have seen the
exact same from you. 

I see. So taking an opposite side from your opinion for you
is enough not to give one respect (or give one less
repsect)/. That statement above speaks for itself.


| >Never said it was. But how about unauthorized use of an
| >account - her son's account? If it was her son's university
| >account it is unlikely that she was authorizewd to post
| >messages on it especially using a name that is neither her
| >sons' nor her own. 
| 
| Oh boy!  You really reached the bottom of the barrel with that one!
| Good luck!  I've had enough of you!

This last argument was so powerful that I am just left
without words. What could I respond to such a factual, to
the poitn, relevant statement?
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Tibor Odor wrote: 

>...kedves Balogh Eva. Nem tudna inkabb paranoiajat 
>szakemberrel kezeltetni? Miert kell nekuknk ezt itt nekunk az SCM-en 
>olvasni?

.... es jon a bal:
>From:  (Mpflerr)
>What is this o'dor? Does anyone smell a rat? 

>Quick....where is the raticide....
>[Just kidding about the raticide...]

>Pleeze Mr.O'dor, when you do speak, would you speak for yourself only...it
really
>confuses the issue when you speak for all of us on SCM. I for one, am not
on your
>waive lenght.

>Udv.,
>me
(...kezitcsokolom, megjott a bal.)

O'dear me,

In *our* Hungarian language "nekunk" refers to at least two persons and not
"all of us on SCM". Pleeze dawnt komphuze deeze. I, for one, *am* on Mr.
O'dor's wavelength (being a spectroscopist).

As to raticide: turn to your comrade, Dr. Torgyan [just kidding] :-)))

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