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3.      Interactive services
3.1  What's available on the World Wide Web

 The following is the chapter recently removed from the main body of
the hungarian-faq. This is not yet completely re-edited for stand-alone
format, nor completing a collection of all important links has been
attempted. For more comprehensive WWW directories see, for example:
<http://www.hungary.com/hudir/>;, <http://www.hungary.com/hudir/>; or
<http://www.fsz.bme.hu/hungary/homepage.html>;.
 This version 0.2 contains some aditional links not shown in 0.1,=20
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Subject: 3. INTERACTIVE SERVICES

 If you are using Hungarian interactive services from abroad (or vice
versa): please note that interactive Internet connections like WWW
may be very slow, even timing out during peak hours - try times of
lower network load when the response time is usually reasonable.

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Subject: 3.1  What's available on the World Wide Web

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has a few other documents and several links to other sites of
interest.

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<http://www.fsz.bme.hu/hungary/homepage.html>; with links to the
registered Hungarian www servers, including

     - the Prime Minister's Office:  <http://www.meh.hu>; (overseas users
    please notice that the use of the <http://www.hungary.com/meh/>;
    mirror is requested to cut down transatlantic traffic!)

     - a weather forecast page (this is updated daily, and includes weather
    forecasts, meteorological maps, and METEOSAT satellite images; this
    page is in Hungarian)

     - home pages of Hungarian cities (currently Budapest, Debrecen,
    Miskolc, Pecs, Szeged), and of educational and other institutions=20

     - a comprehensive list of Hungarian telnet services (e.g. library=20
    databases), gopher and ftp sites (3.2). The content of almost all the=
=20
    Hungarian FTP sites is indexed and can be searched.

 The Hungary Online Directory (HUDIR) is at
<http://www.hungary.com/hudir/>; featuring a hierarchical
database of Hungarian online content worldwide. Currently it has links
in excess of 2500.

 HIX has a WWW server in the USA: the URL is <http://www.hix.com>;.
To check out fresh content, see <http://www.hix.com/friss2/>;, which
gives you a comprehensive table of content for new material arrived in
the last 24 hours (which is typically in the order of 100-150 pages).
Besides back issues of its email journals, and a plethora of other
files in Hungarian and English, it offers an on-line English-Hungarian,
Hungarian-English dictionary (<http://www.hix.com/hix/szotar/>; - its
European mirror is at <http://tpri6l.gsi.de/szotar.html>;), and various
home pages and pointers to other sources. Partial mirrors located in
Hungary are <http://www.eunet.hu/eunet/hix/>; (for the Magyar Narancs
archive), and <http://hal9000.elte.hu/hix/>; (for some pictures, and
searching the Radir database - see below).

 Hungary.Network - The GateWWWay to Hungary at
<http://www.hungary.com/>; has a number of government, commercial and
organizational users listed.

 TourInform is at <http://www.hungary.com/tourinform/>; is the service
of the Hungarian Tourism Service, the official promotion agency of the
Hungarian Tourist Board. They offer practical information, maps,
broshures and even tours on video casette.

 The Open Media Research Institute has a WWW server, available at
<http://www.omri.cz>;.  Available at this Web site are all back issues
of the Daily Digest, tables of contents for Transition, OMRI's
bi-weekly analytical journal, and information about OMRI's activities
and staff.

 The World Wide Web server of Central Europe Today is at the URL
<http://www.eunet.cz>;.

 Find back issues of the Hungary Report on the World Wide Web at=20
<http://www.yak.net/hungary-report/>; or <http://www.isys.hu/hol>;.=20
The Hungary-Online archive is available from=20
<http://www.yak.net/hungary-online/>; or <http://www.isys.hu/hrep>;=20
as well.

 There is a growing Hungarian resource directory at
<http://mineral.umd.edu/hir/>;. [The same server also hosts a
 "Hungarian Electronic Resources FAQ"<http://mineral.umd.edu/faq/>;.]

 There is a"Foreign Languages for Travellers"collection of essential
Hungarian expressions with English, German and French explanation,
complete with sound at
<http://insti.physics.sunysb.edu/~mmartin/languages/hungarian/hungarian.htm=
l>.

 The American Association of Young Hungarians (AAYH) has its homepage
at <http://www.aayh.org/>;.

 A Hungarian church in Chicago has info at
 <http://users.aol.com/MikeC16958/>;.

 The Gyorgy Bessenyei Teachers Training College (Nyiregyhaza) offers=20
some 3000 pages worth of database for Szabolcs-Szatmar-Bereg county=20
(Eastern Hungary) as well as other goodies and general Internet help,
in both Hungarian and English: <http://www.bgytf.hu/>;.

 See also section 2.3 above, which covers
<http://www.siliconvalley.com/>; and refers to other links as well.

 The following is a somewhat random working list, in HTML format,
of webpages of interest recently announced (which I haven't yet had
the time to check out or incorporate with further description):

<A HREF=3D"http://www.fsz.bme.hu/wn/">
 "What's new in Hungary?" =09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://users.deltanet.com/~kingavp/">
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<A HREF=3D"http://mason.gmu.edu/~achassel/index.html">
 "Historical Text Archive, Hungarian Images and Historical Background"> =09=
</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://members.aol.com/kfa4kuvasz/index.htm">
 "Kuvasz Fanciers of America" =09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.mkogy.hu/">
 "Magyar Orsz=E1ggy=FBl=E9si Hivatal" =09</A> <P>

<A HREF=3D"http://www.nepszabadsag.hu/">
 "Nepszabadsag Online"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.datanet.hu/szignum">
 "Szignum Media Hirlevel"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.enet.hu/clients/bohemelet/">
 "Bohemelet"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.hdsys.hu/">
 "Az Apple Computer Magyarorszagon"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://silicon.terra.vein.hu/sci/intro.html">
 "Utilapu Halozat - SCI Hungary"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.fornax.hu/napi/">
 "Napi Gazdasag On-Line"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.mhirlap.hu/">
 "Magyar Hirlap Ottlap"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.enet.hu/otherside">
 "Other Side Magazin"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.bdtf.hu/konyvtar/sup/sup.html">
 "A Savaria University Press Alapitvany honlapja"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://lingua.arts.klte.hu/summer/summer.htm">
 "Debrecen Summer School"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.eunet.hu/median/ifered.html">
 "Az elso magyar online internet-felmeres eredmenyei"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.enet.hu/jozsefattila">
 "Jozsef Attila"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://WWW.iSYS.hu/remindme">
 "RemindMe"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://WWW.iSYS.hu/nevnap/">
 "Nevnap Emlekezteto"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://WWW.iSYS.hu/nameday/">
 "Nameday Reminder"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.datanet.hu/primpress">
 "Ujsag"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.datanet.hu/artnet/beauty/index">
 "Virtualis Vilagszepe Valasztas 1996"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.fornax.hu/fmon/valuta/index.html">
 "Valuta arfolyamok"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.fornax.hu/fmon/commod/batmenu.html">
 "Budapesti Arutozsde napi statisztika"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.idg.hu/expo">
 "Internet Expo Hungarian Pavilion"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.idg.hu/internetto/friss/netinform/">
 "iNteRNeTTo, Budapest"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.kossuth.enet.hu/">
 "Kossuth Radio"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://year1100.iif.hu/">
 "Millecentenariumi rendezvenyek programfuzete"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.datanet.hu/szfold/szfold.htm">
 "Szabad Fold hetilap"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.sch.bme.hu/~steve/e-mail.html">
 "Kapcsolattartas e-mail utjan az Interneten"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.starkingnet.hu/bcc/internet_piac/">
 "interNET PIAC"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.enet.hu/bpweek">
 "Budapest Week"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.spiderweb.hu/jurix/jurix.html">
 "Jurix jogszabalygyujtemeny a halon"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.iqsoft.hu/pages/h_hmj.html">
 "HMJ - Magyar Gazdasagi Jogszabalyok Haromnyelvu gyujtemenye"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.inf.bme.hu/esatt_indis/docs_hu/rtdhun/hmj_e.html">
 "HMJ - Hungarian Economic Rules of Law"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.tiszanet.hu/mszp/">
 "MSZP Szeged"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.htbt.hu/">
 "H.T.BT. Honlap"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.mav.hu/">
 "A MAV Rt. www szervere"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.mav.hu/">
 "Hungarian State Railways Co."=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.mek.iif.hu/">
 "Magyar Elektronikus Konyvtar (Web felulettel)"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.uni-miskolc.hu:8080/SZOTAR">
 "Angol-magyar, magyar-angol szotar"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.ikm.hu/">
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<A HREF=3D"http://www.bankonekt.hu/translat/mfe.htm">
 "Magyarorszagi Forditoirodak Egyesulete"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.bankonekt.hu/translat/mfe.htm">
 "Association of Hungarian Translation Companies"=09</A> <P>
<A HREF=3D"http://www.InterWare.hu/">
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<A HREF=3D"http://www.InterWare.hu/index.us.html">
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<A HREF=3D"http://www.enet.hu/emiquint/">
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Gabor Barsai ) writes:
> In article >,
> willy, the canadian pseudo poet and artificial artist writes:
>>However, I do seek approval from what I regard as my peers, who are
>>discerning enough to recognize the aesthetic value of my graphemes and
>>morphemes aka concrete poetry and conceptual poetry. That you do not agree
>>is totally irrelev?nt to me and is insignificant to the body of peers who
>>do appreciate the work.
> 
> Oh, really? Too bad you got upset cause we called you a pseudo poet -  and th
e
> fact that you actually reply to my posts! Oh, well.

The general over all subject matter remains ME ME ME. So of course, I
reply in order to hear more about MYSELF.

>>Well of course you are nice -- you are bland. You are mild whereas I am
>>wild. You are simply a dumb chap-lipped cocksucker swallowing the contents
>>of large intestines who plays the role of a Knight in Shining Aluminum for
>>dried up dumb cunts. No go ahead and play the role Mr Grundy and get
>>yourself upset because of the use of foul malodorous language. I'm a rude
>>dude. I'm insolent, impudent, irreverent, etc etc. AMEN!
> 
> No, you're not rude - you're a hypocrite. Rude would be if you always wrote
> like that. Hypocrites, like you and the Brigster, are just too logical to be
> rude. You're just too predictable.
> By the way, why would I get upset? You're too stupid and obscure to have any
> influence on my life. In fact, you and your rubber woman are great for laughs
!

Of course we're GREAT, why do things half-mast. Women attest to your
blandness in this regard. 

> Loud music upsets me, but I can't account for your taste.
> You idolize me: you called me a friendly vital organ (bland
> gland), then a peanut (goober). I know I'm far superior than you, but no need

Oh I love it when you talk about ME -- try and keep the comments about
yourself out of this -- who the fuck is interested in the pile of
biological debris that you are. Now, back to ME . . . 

> Lo, I wonder why you get off at trying to insult people? What compels you?
> Your lack of education? Lack of a brain? Lack of a happy childhood? Need of
> approval by other people? Lack of purpose in your life? The only culture you
> seem to have is the bacteria between your toes.

In any event it is the only culture worthy of your attention -- what else
do you ever post that is of demonstrated interest to anyone?

>>which can be self-consuming. You should post about other things as well a
>>posting your thoughts and feelings about MYSELF.
> 
> Now, now; no need to get upset that I don't approve of you. Calm down and
> rewrite the sentence, since I can't understand it. Take a deep breath and cal
m
> down.

It would appear that I am the central subject of your Usenet posts. Try to
interest people in other subjects that you are expert on. As much as I
love talking about MYSELF and engaging in exchanges with others about
MYSELF, about the qualities of MY character, personality, etc etc, and in
spite of the fact that I reply to your posts to encourage more of your
thoughts and feelings about MYSELF, you should consider the interests of
others on SCM, but perhaps in this regard we share something in common --
fuck em, let's continue posting about ME!

BAROM! BAROM! BARRROOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!!

T. Kocsis  > wrote:
>
>Yeah, atomization of societies - all the societies -was
>always the main goal of every extreme autocratic sys-
>tem like the Nazi Germany or Stalin's Sovietunion (do you

Yes, exactly that's what I was thinking.  Soros' Open Society is an
alianated one where everybody is for him/herself, where no social bonds
exists.  Such society can easily be manipilated and controlled by even a
small cadre of elites having control of mass communication and the armed
forces.  In other words. it's Orwell's "1984" some 20 years late.
In light of his "credo", Soros' promotion of decriminalization of drugs
makes sense.

>remember that 6 years old kid who denounced his own
>parents who were executed and the kid became the Hero
>of Sovietunion ?) down till the family.

Yes, I remember, but do we really know if the story was true or just an
invention of Stalin's propogandists?  But even if so, I have no doubt
that in societies as that, such thing could indeed happen.

Joe

) writes:
> T. Kocsis  > wrote:
>>Yeah, atomization of societies - all the societies -was
>>always the main goal of every extreme autocratic sys-
>>tem like the Nazi Germany or Stalin's Sovietunion (do you
> 
> Yes, exactly that's what I was thinking.  Soros' Open Society is an
> alianated one where everybody is for him/herself, where no social bonds
> exists.  

Is this not descriptive of the USA? Is this not the credo of the USA? It
celebrates Individualism, the rights of the individual, the supremacy of
the individual as differentiated from the rights of society or groupism.
The social bond that does exist is the ambition for the dollar. 

> Such society can easily be manipilated and controlled by even a
> small cadre of elites having control of mass communication and the armed
> forces.  

We can see that Hollywood churns out the manipulation and control by a
small cadre of elites. This establishes the mindset, and has done so quite
successfully -- given that individualistic Americans are quite cohesive
insofar as "I AM AN AMERICAN." The manipulation is cranked up by the spin
doctors whenever the political elite want an adventure -- invasion of
Grenada, arrest of the Panamanian drug-dictator, support for the
anti-democratic sultans of Kuwait.

> In other words. it's Orwell's "1984" some 20 years late.
> In light of his "credo", Soros' promotion of decriminalization of drugs
> makes sense.

Ah! Yes, don't bogart that joint, pass it over to me, and I won't give a
shit about the well-being of society in general, because I am right-now-happy.
There is quite an element of truth to this. However, let us not paint an
exaggerated picture of "DRUGS" There is a significant difference between
pot and the synthetic drugs, between pot and the hallucinogenics, between
pot and the assorted flavours of the opiates.

> Joe Pannon wrote:
| Come to think of it, this sounds pretty
| realistic assumption in the light of George Soros' push for legalization
| of the drug in Hungary recently, mostly through his presumed proxies.
| And in Hungary it hasn't been proposed as "for medical use only."
....
| (Yeah, yeah, I know ... W. F. Buckley also wants to legalize the drug,
| but he is pretty much a loner with that on the Right.)

> Istvan Szucs wrote:
>What I would like to see is a good reason for or against
>legalizing marijuana as a controlled substance. I think it's
>a good idea. (I am ambivalent abot  legalizing marijuana all
>together, and don't have a strong position either way).

I would prefer that it be stricken from all criminal codes and ignored.
It produces a mild euphoric high that is much needed to relieve the
pervasive ambience of stress that is prevalent in our lives. It is an
intoxicant, of course, and thus impairs abilities, brain surgery, driving
vehicles, flying planes, posting to Usenet, etc. It can have a negative
effect on the respiratory system, but this fact has not made tobacco
smoking a felony. I think it would have a less damaging effect on the lungs
than tobacco, largely because I can't see hundreds of millions of people
smoking a pack or two of pot a day. Tobacco is inhaled then exhaled in a
breath, but pot is often inhaled and held in the lungs so that the full
potency can be felt. Under legalized conditions, pot is more likely to be
inhaled and exhaled like tobacco and consequently smoked in less quantity
than tobacco. 

Legal pot would begin the process of dissociation from other drugs, that
have a far more damaging effect. Liquor does not lead to crack use largely
because liquor is available from sources other than a crack dealer. As it
is now, pot is bought from a dealer who often handles other drugs, so the
temptation to try this or that is in your face. Legal pot takes it out of
the hands of those dealers. Why risk the hassle of downtime by buying from
a dealer of drugs when under legal conditions I could buy it at the 7-11,
along with several bags of Twinkies and a carton of Potato Chips.

Pot is an agricultural product, which would then be factory packaged and
distributed. There's a lot of employment here. There is a lot of profit for
shareholders here. Pension funds, mutual funds would find it a strong and
steady investment. 

Stressed out people would be calmed and less inclined to take to the
streets to cause havoc -- leaving more room for people like me to create my
own personal havoc. 

This is just off the cuff. I haven't taken a toke in over ten years. But I
do remember it as a lot of fun, a wonderful pleasure. Things are very rich
as they are -- music, sex, art, wind, rain, etc. but there is also an
alternative wealth to experience the same things while euphoric. I'm not
saying that being stoned is a better way to experience things -- only
another viewpoint.

There was the urban myth of pot called Manhatten Silver. It was said that
the NYPD had gone on an anti-drug blitz in 1965, consequently, as the doors
were being kicked in on pot raids, kilos were being flushed down into the
sewage system. City sewage workers, usually Harlem Habitues, noticed a lot
of cannibis plants growing in the sewers of New York. Evidently, the seeds
in all those kilos began to take root in the sludge and slime of Manhatten.
Because there was no sunlight getting into these sewers, the plants grew
without chlorophyll, consequently there was no green pigmentation in the
plants. They were grey and extremely potent. Hence Manhatten Silver.

In article > Fred Hamori > writes:
>William Griffiths wrote:
>> Could someone please hel me with the origin of the word for 'Christmas"
>> in Romanian (kraciun)?  It appears to be related to the Hungarian
>> 'koraciony', but where do these words originate from?
>[...] The oldest references I found are from Central asia [...]

:-) William, you had better stick to the good old Slavic etymology...
You've already got one Romanian suggesting Latin and one Hungarian
suggesting Sumerian or something: "all this is perfectly normal."
-- 
-- Olivier Clary   mailto:   http://www.geocities.com/Paris/1326/
Me'te'o-France/CNRM/Groupe Mode'lisation pour Assimiln. et Pre'vision, Toulouse
Aussi loin qu'est l'orient de l'occident, Il met loin de moi mes fautes --Ps103
Se nem kicsi, se nem nagy, / E'ppen hozza'm valo' vagy!  (Lakodalmas -Te'ka e.)

In article >,
 > wrote:
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| 
| Ivan Marinov  > wrote:
| >Mordekhai wrote:
| >> 
| >> This was the true Pesakh dinner: After that the Lamb was killed,
| >>                                  He was also eatten.
| >> 
| >> +Mordekhai
| >
| >PLEASE STOP YOUR ANTI-CHRISTIAN COMMUNIST NAZIST PROPAGANDA!!!
| 
| Isn't Mordekhai a Jewish name?  If so, I think he is just trying to
| provoke some response from Christians to which then he could point to 
| as evidence of anti-semitism.  So let's not fall for his game.
| 
| Joe


Don't you have a one track mind?

Istvan