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1 The Big Stick (mind)  28 sor     (cikkei)
2 Re: Clinton-Iliescu Meeting (mind)  14 sor     (cikkei)
3 Re: Clinton-Iliescu Meeting (mind)  9 sor     (cikkei)
4 Re: wow! (mind)  52 sor     (cikkei)
5 Re: Where is Ve'cs ? (mind)  22 sor     (cikkei)
6 Clinton-Iliescu: Last chance (mind)  52 sor     (cikkei)
7 Banckrupcy. (mind)  25 sor     (cikkei)
8 Re: HUNGARIAN FOOD (mind)  94 sor     (cikkei)
9 Re: Clinton-Iliescu Meeting (mind)  24 sor     (cikkei)
10 American School Of Business (mind)  11 sor     (cikkei)
11 Re: Clinton-Iliescu Meeting (mind)  27 sor     (cikkei)
12 Re: Clinton-Iliescu Meeting (mind)  42 sor     (cikkei)
13 Re: Clinton-Iliescu Meeting (mind)  33 sor     (cikkei)
14 Insult to Bela Bartok's memory (mind)  37 sor     (cikkei)
15 Re: Clinton-Iliescu Meeting (mind)  25 sor     (cikkei)

+ - The Big Stick (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

I wonder what's keeping Dr Pellionisz from filing his famous lawsuit
against the IMF.  Surely no amount of heckling on the Net can prevent him
from filing the darn thing.  Here in America you have a god-given right
to file a lawsuit every day of the week if you want to.  You also have
the right to pick a street corner -- any street corner -- and keep ranting
and raving about the coming Armageddon till you are blue in the face.

If the lawsuit is as crucial as you say it is, if it is really the key to
national survival, then we don't have a moment to lose.  Every day counts.
Time is of the essence.  Just think of the loss of interest on the hundreds
of billions you are set to win.  With interest compounded daily, it must
add up to a nice bit of change.  It would certainly pay for fixing that
irritating Caps Lock key.  The one that keeps getting stuck all the time.
Can drive a man nuts.

So how come all we hear is talk, talk, talk, and the lawsuit is still going
nowhere?  What can the matter be?  Lack of patriotic zeal?  Indecisiveness?
Legal incompetence?  Did Dr Endrey misplace the address of the Supreme
Court?  Do I begin to smell sabotage?!?

Go ahead.  File it.  Please.  Don't let anyone stop you.  You had all the
foreplay you need, and more.  So go for it.  Let the ruling classes tremble.
Remember, you have nothing to lose but your chains.  And you have a world
to win.  So file it already, and quit yakking about it.

Gabor Fencsik

+ - Re: Clinton-Iliescu Meeting (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

 (Gyorgy Kovacs) wrote:

>>For God's sake, how many Hungarians live in Transylvania??
>Approximately 2.5 million recently.


It seems that the Chicago Democrats were responsible for the results
of the last census in Transilvania, which must've included the dead
amongst the living just like in a good old fashion Cook County
election. Unless of course, in the same Chicago Democratic tradition,
the Hungarians were "counted"... early and often!

Dorin Taranul
+ - Re: Clinton-Iliescu Meeting (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Dorin Taranul wrote:

: ...the last census in Transilvania, which must've included the dead
: amongst the living...

Well, what do expect for Transylvania?  :)

--Greg Grose
+ - Re: wow! (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Eva Durant ) wrote:
: I'm impressed!  Someone around here agrees
: with me, that the US is not a democracy...
: I hope, it's not really the president...

: Forwarded message:
: > Delivery-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1995 15:08:51 +0100
: > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 95 15:07:07 BST
: > Message-Id: >
: > From:  (Bill Clinton)
: > Apparently-To: 
: >
: > Dear Madam,
: >
: > My federal agents have been monitoring your communications for some
: > months now and have informed me that you have a communist tendancy.
: >
: > As the president of the worlds most democratic country I both deplore

: > these activities and urge you to stop them at once. I hope not to
: > bring into force any of my considerable powers, nor do I wish to
: > contact your network provider to curb your activities.
: >
: > If you should feel the need to discuss these matters with myself, or
: > with my vice president, Al Gore, we shall be pleased to offer you advice:
: >
: > 
: >  (Al Gore)
: >
: > Bill Clinton,

        Just nitpicking: Even  me, whose first language isn't English,
        can see the two ( highlighted ) errors in the mail supposedly
        from the White House.It could be typo of course :-).
        Also I have to agree with the notion that the US ( or any other
        so called "First World democratic country ) is not a democratic
        society.We all know that democracy existed only in ancient Greece
        where the members of 'demos' ( the people ) were equal of course,
        while the work was done by a huge slave base.Now where are the
        slaves in our time? Just look around the planet and you will see.
        Enough for today.Maybe my messages are monitored also :-).

                                        Csaba Harangozo
+ - Re: Where is Ve'cs ? (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

>I have been trying to do some genealogy research on my
>mother's side of the family who came from Ve'cs Hungary
>which is in Heves county.  I have not been able to trace
>when Ve'cs became a town.  Where could I go to find out
>when the city of Ve'cs was started and what was the name of
>that area prior to 1800?
>Any help would be appreciated.
>Al Starnes )

In 1850, when Elek Fenyes published his geographical dictionary, Ve'cs was stil
a small village. Population: 892, all Roman Catholics. Landlords: Count Almasy,
Emanuel and Karoly. The village is located east of Domoszlo. Nearest town:

Peter I. Hidas, Montreal

Peter I. Hidas, Montreal

+ - Clinton-Iliescu: Last chance (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

Dear Colleague,

Today is the last day on which you can still speak up for the rights of the
Seklers. Today you can still join our nation-wide effort to influence the
outcome of the Clinton-Iliescu meeting. As the meeting is scheduled for
Tuesday, our goal is to flood the White House with faxes and telephone calls
on Monday. This way, we hope to achieve, that before the meeting on Tuesday,
Mr. Clinton will be informed, that the dominant demand in the previous day's
mail, was the demand for Hungarian autonomy in Transylvania.

Below, I have attached a form letter addressed to the President and copied to
the Chairman of the Democratic Party, Senator Dodd. Please send your fax TO
BOTH. Please, also make a few phone calls to friends, family members,
colleagues, even your students and ask them to do the same. What is a few
minutes for you, can mean the cultural survival of the Seklers. THIS
With best regards: Bela Liptak

The Honorable Bill Clinton
President of the United States
(FAX: 202-456-2461, TEL: 202-456-1414, E-Mail: )

Dear Mr. President,

According to the 1990 census, 1.64 million Hungarian-Americans live in the
United States. As all Americans, we too vote as Democrats, Republicans, and
Independents, but when it comes to the cultural survival of the indigenous
Hungarian population of Transylvania, we vote as members of one family, we
vote for the party which shows more understanding and offers more protection
to our brethren.

Dear Mr. President, we would like to ask, that on Tuesday, when you meet
President Iliescu of Romania, please make all your agreements conditional on
the following:

1) The restoration of Hungarian autonomy in Transylvania.
2) The repeal of the 1995 "Language Law", which, if not rescinded, would
destroy one of Europe's oldest and best school system.
3) The returning of Catholic and Reformed Church properties. (The
nationalized posessions of other churches have already been returned.)

Mr. President, the indigenous Hungarian population of Romania is larger than
the total population of Bosnia. We support your policy of guaranteeing
autonomy to all ethnic groups in Bosnia and we respectfully ask you to extend
that policy to all ethnic minorities in Central Europe, including Europe's
largest minority: the Hungarians.

Respectfully yours,
(Name, address, title)

cc: The Honorable Senator Christopher Dodd
      (FAX: 202-224-1083, TEL: 202-224-2823, E-Mail: 
+ - Banckrupcy. (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

>To: Hix hungary 
>From:   (Andy Kozma)
>Subject: Banckrupcy.
>I wish that the knowlegable person who wrote"the UN is debating to declare
Canada banckrupt"would please let me know where this appeared.
>As far as I know,just this week the UN declaired Canada the 2nd richest
country,beaten only by Australia.
>True as it is evriwhere at this time we are having to downsise evrithing
wich we proudley built up in the past,but that does not mean we give up all
our social benefits.
>Right now only the companys are getting bigger either bey aqusitions or
>The result of this is that too many real people will loose there jobs,abd
probaley will not be able to pay taxes,but the profit margin for the
companys will grow.
>This is the tendencey right now,and I don't realey know if we are heading
in the right direction.But I am only a retired person,and all my hope is
that I'll be able to live my life in peace and health.
>When I was a working stiff,all of the above was not such a problem,since
the world was preparing for war,and the monney was no object.Now we and the
future generation has to pay for that.
>This is strictley my opinion.
>Andy Kozma.
+ - Re: HUNGARIAN FOOD (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

On 19 Sep 1995, julia kushner wrote:

> i recently went to hungary and thought the food was the best on the
> planet. can anyone tell me:
> 1) is there a FAQ with recipes?
> 2) recommend a good cookbook?
> 3) tell me how to make "golden dumplings", a dessert of cake-like
>       dumplings, with "ewe's cheese" [really like sour cream] on top???

try the recipes and books in HIR's Food section :

>From the page there are WWW Links to:

      Hungarian Cuisine
      Hungarian wines and other drinks
      chocolate slices Rigo Jancsi
      goulash Szekely goulash
      lamb stew Fragrant lamb stew
      mushroom soup A rich dill, paprika and mushroom soup
      potato paprikash Hungarian potato paprikash
      Recipies from the HIX collection
      UseNet Recipes - with Hungarian recipes
      UseNet cookbook: goulash
      Recipes from the Upper Lands (Slovakia)
      Hungarian goulash
      Hungarian cherry soup
      WAIS server of recipes
      Amy Gale's recipe archive
      English Server's recipe folder
      Recipes collection
      Usenet Cookbook
      Yahoo's Ethnic Food Page

Books (most of them are available in U.S. Libraries and Bookstores):

      Hungarian cuisine : a complete cookery book
      Venesz, Jozsef
      Budapest: Corvina, 1982

      Sentimental journey around the Hungarian cuisine
      Asturias, Miguel Angel
      Budapest: Corvina Press, 1969

      Comiendo en Hungria
      Asturias, Miguel Angel
      Barcelona, Editorial Lumen [1972]

      Hungarian cookery
      Weiss, Edward
      New York : Paprikas Weiss Importer, 1977

      The Paprikas Weiss Hungarian cookbook
      Weiss, Edward
      New York : Morrow, c1979

      The cooking of Vienna's empire
      Wechsberg, Joseph
      New York, Time-Life Books, 1968

      Hungarian cookery-book
      [Kis magyar szakacskonyv. English ]
      Gundel, Karoly, 1883-1956
      Budapest: Corvina Kiado, 1980

      Good food from Hungary
      Barlay, Kate
      London: F. Miller, [1958]

      The Cuisine of Hungary
      Lang, George
      New York: Bonanza Books, 1972

      The Hungarian Cookbook
      Derecskey, Susan
      New York: Harper and Row, 1972

      The Art of Hungarian Cooking
      Pogany Bennett, Paula
      New York: Paperback Library, 1967

      Cookbook USA
      CD-ROM, with about 800 Hungarian Recipes

      Mostly Magyar
      Ladies Aid Society, contact :
      Tom Angi, 

+ - Re: Clinton-Iliescu Meeting (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In >
 (Gyorgy Kovacs) writes:

>In article >,
>Constantin Donea > wrote:
>>For God's sake, how many Hungarians live in Transylvania?? Soon there'll
>>be like 25 million...
>May your words be the ones of a prophet! (A pro'fe'ta szo'ljon belo"led!)
>Approximately 2.5 million recently.

This must be _very_ recently, because in 1992, HDUR got about 7% of the
votes, and 2.5 million is more than 10% of Romania's population.  Or,
maybe, some Hungarians voted for PUNR...

Dan Pop
CERN, CN Division
Mail:  CERN - PPE, Bat. 31 R-004, CH-1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland
+ - American School Of Business (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

There's supposed to be such a school in Budapest, but I have not been able to
find any information about it on the net (and I'm too lazy to search
If anybody has any info about the school (like adresses, phonenumbers etc)
PLEASE drop me a mail or reply to this group.

> ==========================================================================>
Stefan Gimeson            Email: 
Tunavagen 39 B:660               
S-223 63 Lund            "Ever forward!!! There's NO limit!!!"
+ - Re: Clinton-Iliescu Meeting (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

1994 CIA world factbook

Population: 23,181,415 (July 1994 est.)
Ethnic divisions: Romanian 89.1%, Hungarian 8.9%

Calculator (/usr/openwin/bin/calctool)

23181415 * 0.089 =~ 2.063 mil.

Other sources are welcome.


Alen Docef

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
email:            Digital Signal Processing Laboratory
Phone (W): (404) 894-4813     School of Electrical and Computer Engineering
Phone (H): (404) 873-0285                   Georgia Institute of Technology
FAX:       (404) 894-8363                       ECE Van Leer Building C-449
WWW: http://www.ee.gatech.edu/users/alen        Atlanta, GA 30332-0250, USA
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
+ - Re: Clinton-Iliescu Meeting (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

> >In article >,
> >Constantin Donea > wrote:
> >>
> >>For God's sake, how many Hungarians live in Transylvania?? Soon there'll
> >>be like 25 million...
> >
> -
> >May your words be the ones of a prophet! (A pro'fe'ta szo'ljon belo"led!)
> >Approximately 2.5 million recently.
> This must be _very_ recently, because in 1992, HDUR got about 7% of the
> votes, and 2.5 million is more than 10% of Romania's population.  Or,
> maybe, some Hungarians voted for PUNR...
> Dan
> --
> Dan Pop
> CERN, CN Division
> Email: 
> Mail:  CERN - PPE, Bat. 31 R-004, CH-1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland

OH Please!!!! Will people quit arguing the numbers bit, no one is
districting anything, and the point is that it is pointless to do so,
anyone who has studied demography in this region knows that censuses
(especially self-reporting) will always be skewed on the nationality

1) Let's remember they are all Romanian citizens.

2) That the Romanian government (no matter which ex-communist is in
charge) should have an interest in keeping the people of it's most
productive region happy, no matter what ethnicity and language they

3) And that outside observers have an interest in making sure laws that
are on the books are more than mere showpieces for NATO/EU leadership.

Darren Purcell
+ - Re: Clinton-Iliescu Meeting (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

On 22 Sep 1995, Gyorgy Kovacs wrote:

> In article >,
> Constantin Donea > wrote:
>>For God's sake, how many Hungarians live in Transylvania?? Soon there'll
>>be like 25 million...
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> May your words be the ones of a prophet! (A pro'fe'ta szo'ljon belo"led!)
> Approximately 2.5 million recently.
> Gyuri

Well Gyury, if I ever run for the Romanian Senate and win a seat, I will
introduce a law to allow & encourage Hungarians to emigrate to
Transylvania, from Hungary and even more so the USA.
It seems the place is very special in the Hungarian psyche, I think we may
be able to get the new emigre's to do something productive over there, and
make everybody happy !

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>In article >, 
>> writes:
>>>This law destroys the 500 years old Hungarian school system and  subjects
>>>2.5 million Hungarian minority to cultural genocide.

Personaly I would have preffered that the school system not be meddled with.
The present legislature in Romania  seems to be able to do mostly harm in
many other areas.

m. cristian
+ - Insult to Bela Bartok's memory (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

The President of Romania will meet with President Clinton on Tuesday, the
26th of September. He is coming to obtain a billion dollars in aid and the
technology to manufacture Cobra attack helicopters in Romania. He wants these
in return for the progress Romania has made on the road towards democracy:
guaranteeing ethnic tolerance, human rights and cultural diversity in his
multi-ethnic state. An example of the conditions prevailing in Romania is
given below:

SEPTEMBER 12, 1995: The Hungarian Opera in Cluj posts showbills in Hungarian,
Romanian and English, announcing a 10-day Bela Barok anniversary.
SEPTEMBER 20: Major Gh. Funar sends a crane and removes the Hungarian
language announcement-ribbon from the facade of the opera.
SEPTEMBER 21: The director of the Hungarian Opera, Gabor Simon, returns the
Hungarian language ribbon.
SEPTEMBER 22: The mayor once again removes, the director once again returns
the ribbon. As a response the mayor imposes a 2 million ley fine and requests
the dismissal of the director. Simultaneously with that, the telephone lines
to the opera are also cut.
SEPTEMBER 23 (TODAY): The director turns to higher authorities requesting the
enforcement of the laws, which guarantee the language rights of minorities
and in failing to receive assistance, contemplates the cancellation of the
10-day Bartok program.

It is important to know, that 1) the indigenous Hungarian population of
Romania exceeds the total population of Bosnia, 2) that Hungarian autonomy
which survived even under Communism, has not been restored in Romania, 3)
that a new law been passed this year, which, if enforced, will destroy the
500 years old Hungarian school system, 4) that the Hungarian churches are the
only churches in Romania, who's properties have not been returned.

Therefore, President Clinton should tell President Iliescu, that if Romania
wants to enter Europe or if she wants American help, she should guarantee
ethnic rights, cultural autonomy for all minorities (including the Jews and
the Romas) and should terminate the operation of the language police.

Bela Liptak (The writer is a former Yale professor and one of the director of
the Hungarian Anti-defamation League)
+ - Re: Clinton-Iliescu Meeting (mind) VÁLASZ  Feladó: (cikkei)

In article >,  (Alen Docef)
>1994 CIA world factbook
>Population: 23,181,415 (July 1994 est.)
>Ethnic divisions: Romanian 89.1%, Hungarian 8.9%
>Calculator (/usr/openwin/bin/calctool)
>23181415 * 0.089 =~ 2.063 mil.
>Other sources are welcome.

100 - 89.1 - 8.9 = 98
23181415 * 0.02 = 463,628 other minorities in Romania.
That's ludicrous. There are more gypsies than this, not considering
Turks, Armenians, Germans, Ukrainians etc...

Constantin Donea