<flame retardant suit donned>
Rather concerned I might be posting in the wrong place, but not seeing a 
FAQ anywhere around...  ;-)

Yea, yeah, I'm trying to do a genealogy on the Rattai family name and 
getting nowhere at a snails pace.  Anyone know a good resource 
specifically relating to Historical Hungary?  Better yet, anyone know 
any Rattai?

So far, I've come up with the following:
http://www.escape.ca/~krattai/rattai.htm

Any futher tips?  =)

BTW, as I'm not much into lurking on newsgroups these days, email 
response would be appreciated.
</flame suit off>

<Obligatory> hello</obligatory>

Kevin
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HipCat wrote:
> 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Johanne L. Tournier  > wrote:
> > >
> > >It is based on the novel by the Canadian author Michael Ondaatje, who won
> > >the Booker Prize in Britain for the book several years ago.
> >
> > Thanks for the info, Johanne! You might want to call attention to this
> > movie in the HUNGARY list, too, where I can see you participating.
> >
> > BTW, from the name of the author I can't figure out what his ethnic
> > background is, but "Ondaatje" sure does not sound Hungarian.  So I
> > wonder what made him choose his hero to be from such a small, obscure
> > country as Hungary is.  We'll probably never know ...
> >
> > Regards,
> > Joe
> 
> I agree that "The English Patient" is a definite Oscar nominee, but I
> must take issue at your labeling of Hungary as "small" and "obscure."
> Don't forget our History - everybody else has.  We must lose this
> "small-itis."  Laszlo Tokes said he was puzzled as to why a nation with
> over 15 million in the world sees itself as so small and mentioned
> Norway or Finland as international players with similar populations who
> stand up for their own interests.  FINALLY someone writes about a
> Hungarian hero, and we ask "why?"  That's sad and it's self-defeating.
> 
> HipCat
> --
> Visit my homepage!  http://mason.gmu.edu/~achassel/Here! Here! Yes! No reason
 to complain, to moan, to wail! Throw out 
phrases like "balsors akit regen tep" (though we might have to sing it 
until something better is found a la "Oh, say, can you sing!", etc. Alas, 
we cannot step out rhythmically (march to) neither "Himnusz", nor 
"Szozat". I respect them, stand to attention to them, sing them, but do 
not like them. We should remember our history objectively, respect it, 
but shouldn't bind ourselves emotionally to its dark, tragic episodes. We 
should liberate ourselves of the doomsday view of our past. Other nations 
had tragic episodes in their histories too but haven't become prisoners 
of it emotionally. When I go to a gathering of Hungarians I always dread 
the singing of the three "horsemen" of the Hungarian apocalypse: Himnusz, 
Szozat, Szekely himnusz. Dread, not strictly because of the stories they 
tell, but more so for the tragic mien the gathering assumes. I hope that 
the younger generation, back in Hungary, do not internalize it the way we 
-56 and pre 56 generation- do. Indeed Hungarians have as much to be proud 
of their country, past, present, achievements, etc. as any other nation.
Laszlo H.

T. Kocsis  > wrote:
>In article > , 
>writes:
>>I sure agree on the political dwarf comment; it's pretty close to what I
>>like to call them: political midgets.
>
>Dunno. Maybe you are right 'cose you are over there and watch things from
>distance and you cannot see the details. Clinton looks a true political
>midget
>watching him from Europe, the same caliber as his predecessor.  It is so
>ob-
>vious because Reagan was *not* a political midget.

Why do you say you "dunno" if you then essentially agree with me?  I
didn't exclude Clinton from the midget category, but I think eventually
it was he who put an end to the slaughter in Bosnia, overcoming
considerable opposition from his NATO allies.  I also agree with you on
the Reagan appraisal.

Joe

Istvan Szucs > wrote:
>
>Back then Italy and Hungary shared borders? ;)
>
>Seriously.. so if we were a little further east and not had
>Austria as a neighbor should Hungarian refugees looked for
>help in Romania Yugoslavia, Czechslovakia and the USSR?

Another ignorant comment from Szucs.

The "next country" obviously means next *free* country.  And yes, for
someone escaping from communist Yugoslavia through the Adriatic, 
Italy was a *next* country.  Free, or otherwise.  Just to spell out
better for clueless Szucs: I mean *free* in a relative terms, meaning 
a country where the views that forced someone to leave his own country
are not considered offensive to the state, or which is not in war like
condition (in case of war refugees).  I'm sure there are plenty of
such states between some Central African country and Hungary. 

I forgot that for Istvan's sake one has to spell out all the details,
because he is either incapable of filling in the gaps on his own, or he 
will use it to nit pick on side issues. 

Joe

Gyorgy Kovacs ) writes:
> 3. You really ran out of tricks.

Yet you have never had any to ever enjoy. Pity.

In article >, HipCat  > wrote:
>
>I agree that "The English Patient" is a definite Oscar nominee, but I
>must take issue at your labeling of Hungary as "small" and "obscure." 
>Don't forget our History - everybody else has.  We must lose this
>"small-itis."  Laszlo Tokes said he was puzzled as to why a nation with
>over 15 million in the world sees itself as so small and mentioned
>Norway or Finland as international players with similar populations who
>stand up for their own interests.  FINALLY someone writes about a
>Hungarian hero, and we ask "why?"  That's sad and it's self-defeating.

Oh, come now HipCat!  No matter what me might think of ourselves, the
Anglo-Saxon countries which produced this movie (was it British or
Canadian?) surely consider us as minor players.  It's not only because 
of our numbers, but more for our insignificance in world affairs.
Israel has even fewer people than Hungary, but look at her
significance.  Remember all the heads of state attending Rabin's funeral
there?

Joe

In article >, Zoltan Nagy  > wrote:
>Az ARD (nemet TV 1. csatornaja) ezev okt. 22-en eredetiben felidezte
>filmfelvetelrol Nagy Imre es Maleter Pal bucsuszavait, valamint
>Vasarhelyi Miklos es Kopacsi Sandor zarszavat. Gondolom Nemetorszag es
>kornyeken sok magyar nezte ,talan videon is felvette valaki, ezert en
>nem is vallakozok arra,hogy emlekezetbol idezzem. 
>
> Nagy Imre es Maleter Pal ontudatosan,buszken emelt fovel vallalta a
>martirhalalt.  A pufajkasok meg az utolso szavak filmfelvetelet is
>megcsonkitottak, Nagy Imre beszede csak az elejen volt szinkronban a
>keppel, utanna mar csak magnofelvetel volt kulon,hozzavalo kep nelkul.

Boy! -- de szerettem volna latni en is azt a musort!  Meg mindig varok
valami visszajelzest az otthoniaktol, hogy vajon ott is bemutattak ezt 
a filmet.  Kocsis Tamas, Te mindig olyan jol tajekozott vagy; tudsz
errol valamit?

>Azutan jott Vasarhelyi Miklos es Kopacsi Sandor fellepeseben mar keveset
>lehetett latni a forradalmi hosokbol, igen sok volt benne a"bocsassatok
>meg elvtarsak" stb.

Ez mindenesetre megmagyarazna, ha odahaza nem mutatnak azt be.  Ugyebar
a szemelyisegi jogok, stb. ...  Plane az ottani Soros Alapitvany
elnoke'e'!

>A pufajkasok kozul szerepelt Horn Gyula
>is,akinek allitolag testvere halt meg es oda van temetve a hires
>parcellaba. Azt hogy, hogyan es foleg kinek az oldalan halt meg ,nem
>reszletezte kulonosebben.

Persze a pufajkasok oldalan halt meg; a forradalmarok lottek le.  Ez
eleg kozismert odahaza.  Horn is megirta konyveben.

Pannon J.

In article > , 
writes:
>Meg mindig varok
>valami visszajelzest az otthoniaktol, hogy vajon ott is bemutattak ezt 
>a filmet.  Kocsis Tamas, Te mindig olyan jol tajekozott vagy; tudsz
>errol valamit?

Koszi, de inkabb csak mazlim van.  Hetvegen otthon voltam, es csutortok
vagy pentek ejszaka volt egy dokumentummusor 56-rol, a negyedik, utolso
elotti resz ment. A cimre sajnos nem emlexem, de mivel ezen a heten
lesz az utolso resz, konnyen utana lehet nez(et)ni. Amire ki akarok
lyukadni:
a musor igen reszletes volt,  korabeli felvetelek,  akkori  szereplokkel
(mindket oldalrol) keszult interjuk, tehat az utolso reszben a perrol
biztos
lesz valami. Lehet, hogy az emlitett beszedek is.

Tamas

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Wally Keeler > wrote:
>
>Gyorgy Kovacs ) writes:
>> 2. If you knew anything about the Trabant, you'd know that it was cheap, 
>> underpowered, and the MOST RELIABLE you could get in Hungary. I guess I shou
ld 
>
>Underpowered, but politically correct. Yep, that's you all right my little
>scabby trabbie.
>

It takes a sick mind like yours to try to relate cars and political 
correctness. Oh, well .....

> Alexander N. Bossy > wrote:
> 
> >(That couldn't have been easy, given the political dwarves
> >who lead most of the west now.)  By accepting Romania as well as
> >Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary, NATO effectively cuts a
> >revanchist Russia from the Balkans, giving those countries a chance to
> >settle down without too much medeling
> 
> I sure agree on the political dwarf comment; it's pretty close to what I
> like to call them: political midgets.  Same difference ...
> 
As a Dutchman I must strongly say that Holland or Belgium is not a political 
dwarf. And why don't you middle european countries get an own defense 
organisation. As soon as the Russia becomes weak the first thing you do is 
looking for a new master (the USA).

Don't you middle europeans don't know that USA is backrupt don't pay its 
contributions to the international organisations. If you look carefully what 
happened in the Russia. You will see will happen with superpowers. Kernpower 
cost money and that money can't be spended to food, housing, building and 
culture.

Please forget your fixation on Clinton and the Russians. Those former 
superpowers are timebombs.  


> I am still not certain though if Clinton can keep steadfast and resists
> Russian intimidations regarding NATO expansion on the schedule talked
> about.  This Prez is not known for strong principles.  There are too
> many syrene calls for appeasment of Russia.  Just like in the old days.
> 

> The funniest part is that Russians keep talking as if NATO came to their
> borders by admitting those first tier countries, totally ignoring
> Ukraine and Belorus in between.  BTW, Ukraine expresses no objection to
> Hungary's inclusion in NATO.  So go and figure ...

Those funny part is that the Americans and CNN think that they are the rulers 
of the world and the rest of the world keep them in that illusion as long they 
keep giving away money.

So I would say: Europeans Country of the Nord, the East, the South and the West
 
United against the Evil Powers of the Russians, Nord-Americans and the Asians. 
 

--

Jeroen M.W. van Dijk 
ing. Control System Engineering
email:  or 

Wally Keeler > wrote:
>
>Gyorgy Kovacs ) writes:
>> 2. If you knew anything about the Trabant, you'd know that it was cheap,
>> underpowered, and the MOST RELIABLE you could get in Hungary. I guess I shou
ld
>
>The analogy reflects you all right -- Drab Trab, the Bulibash of Banality.
>
I knew you would try that. You still know nothing about the Trabi.

In article >,
willy, the canadian pseudo poet and artificial artist wrote:
>In article >,
 says...
>>In article >,
>>willy, the canadian pseudo poet and artificial artist wrote:
>>>slumming in SCM and posting mediocre come-backs. You've become a mediogre.
>>>If you continue to cruise the information highway, I would advise that you
>>>avoid the cul-de-sacaca's you often find yourself in.
>>
>>...said the speck of dust. Willy, you need a cerebral enhance-o-tron, you
>>are so lame. So jejune.
>
>Intelligent people know better than to waste their time responding to the
>jejune. But then again, I was just trolling for the likes of you. Sucker!

Heck, you just prove my point, which was that you are a hypocrite. If you are
jejune, by definition, you can't be creative. Double whammy!

>>Go back to your pseudo republic of pseudo poetry (propp).
>>This is a friendly warning from the friendly vital organ.
>>Gabor
>
>So nice to have you back and paying attention to the favourite subject
>matter -- ME. I note that no one took up the offer to the former thread to
>discuss YOU. BTW, there is no other subject matter than ME that you have

Because they know that they would be humiliated by my superior knowledge - just
as you have been.

>posted about the past month or so.

willy, your simian countenance suggests a heritage unusually rich in species
diversity.

Gabor