At 11:41 PM 5/19/97 -0700, Gabor Fencsik wrote:

>(We *were* talking about the New York Times, weren't we?  Think hard.
>It's the black-and-white one with the funny looking gothic letters at
>the top.  Ask the friendly man at the newspaper stand.  He'll help you.)

Not for long. The New York Times has started switching over to color (some
sections, like Travel, Books and a few others are colored already and the
rest will follow, soon).

Gabor D. Farkas

At 09:21 AM 5/20/97 -0400, Joe Szalai wrote:

>Well, for starters, not too many people suffer from second hand alcohol
>vapors.

That is true. However, it seems that in those accidents caused by drunk
drivers a large number of non-drinkers are killed.

> And although some people are alcoholic, alcohol is
>not addicive like tobacco.

This I don't believe. I think it is much easier to give up smoking (I did
it) than drinking. An alcoholic is a person addicted to alcohol.

Gabor D. Farkas

At 11:35 PM 5/25/97 -0400, Gabor D. Farkas wrote:

>At 09:21 AM 5/20/97 -0400, Joe Szalai wrote:

>> And although some people are alcoholic, alcohol is
>>not addicive like tobacco.
>
>This I don't believe. I think it is much easier to give up smoking (I did
>it) than drinking. An alcoholic is a person addicted to alcohol.
>
>Gabor D. Farkas

So, you can't give up your drinking?  Hmmm.  Maybe it ain't the peppers
that's causing your stomach all those problems.

This list has more troubled people than I suspected.

Joe Szalai

E.S. Balogh wrote:
>
> At 02:39 PM 5/25/97 -0400, Amos wrote:
> >Hi Everybody,
> >
> >   I have also read a report in the Magyar Nemzet about this.
>
>         In addition to Nepszabadsag!!! Amos who now has more time and a new
> computer is discovering the joys of the Internet! I am pleased. You may want
> to know that there area 132 Hungarian daily newspapers and other periodical
> publications on the Internet!

See the Ujsagosstand at
http://www.hungary.net/stand/

Miklos


I must say Hungary is becoming much more
> active on the Internet than some other countries with a great deal of more
> resources: France, Italy, Germany, to mention a few. Within a couple of
> years all high schools will be connected to the Internet. I think that this
> is fantastic and in the long run it will benefit the country greatly.
>         ESB

Janos Zsargo wrote:
>
> A.J.Danube wrote about euthanasia:
>
> >   The Catholic Church is, of course,  against it in any form or shape.
> >But when has the Catholic Church been  for the welfare of the Hungarian
> >people?And the question will be used for political purposes by the dif-
> >ferent parties. This is not surprising either.
>
> And in the Magyar Nemzet:
>
> >A "passziv eutanaziaval" kapcsolatban a katolikus egyhaz allaspontjat
>  ismertetve
> >Jelenits Istvan piarista teologus lapunknak kijelentette: mar az elnevezes
 sem
>  pontos,
> >hiszen az egyhaz mindig is elismerte azt a jogot, hogy az ember lemondjon az
>  elet mesterseges
> >meghosszabbitasanak lehetosegerol. A katolikus egyhaz ilyen forman csupan az
>  "aktiv
> >eutanaziat" tekinti eutanazianak, ami ellen viszont tovabbra is sulyos
>  kifogasai vannak.
>
> In brief: According a teologist interviewed by the Magyar Nemzet, the Catholi
c
>  Church
> does not consider the 'passive euthanasia' as euthanasia and always accepted
 the
>  right
> to suspend the artificial extention of the human life. However they reject th
e
>  idea
> of 'active euthanasia'.
>
> J.Zs
And this is not a new interpratation of a modern theologist. This was
the position of the Catholic Church in the past, too. And just this is,
or a bit less, what the new legal frame is all about. Only a lot more
difficult and complicated ( formal declarations, documents and mandatory
consulting for the patient. Also, it must be established that there are
no promising therapies and life expectation must be below a year. ) than
the rules of the moral-theologists.
MKH

S or G Farkas wrote:
>
> At 09:21 AM 5/20/97 -0400, Joe Szalai wrote:
>
> >Well, for starters, not too many people suffer from second hand alcohol
> >vapors.
>
> That is true. However, it seems that in those accidents caused by drunk
> drivers a large number of non-drinkers are killed.

Don4t forget their co-workers, their bosses, their subordinates, and
first of all their families.

>
> > And although some people are alcoholic, alcohol is
> >not addicive like tobacco.
>
> This I don't believe.

It4s is flatly wrong. An alcoholic is an addict FOR EVER. Even if an
alcoholic gives up and is "dry", the smallest amount of alcohol ( e.g.
in a sweet ) bring a complete backlash.
MKH

 I think it is much easier to give up smoking (I did
> it) than drinking. An alcoholic is a person addicted to alcohol.
>
> Gabor D. Farkas

Dear Hungary Netters,

   Some of you have complained in the recent past about having
difficulty
mailing messages to Hungary. Was the rejected message sent back by
Compu-
serve Postmaster by any chance?If this is the case, how did you solve
the
problem?
   Suddenly, all of  my messages  to Hungary  are rejected  by
Compuserve
Postmaster. Only the ones I send to Hungary. And I receive this
rejection
after REPRO has confirmed that  Hungary has received my message.
Indeed,
your response to some of my posts proves this.  I have sent an inquiry
to
Compuserve Postmaster, as it urges me to do in the rejected message,
but
I have received no answer. If this Postmaster is a computer,  I won't
get
any reply.
   I have never had a Compuserve account so it is a mistery.  Does any
of
you have the 800 number to CompuServe?  I may have to call  to solve
this
problem. I'll welcome any suggestions.
   Thanks a lot for your help,
                               Amos

At 07:42 PM 5/26/97 +0200, you wrote:
>Janos Zsargo wrote:
>>
>> A.J.Danube wrote about euthanasia:
>>
>> >   The Catholic Church is, of course,  against it in any form or shape.
>> >But when has the Catholic Church been  for the welfare of the Hungarian
>> >people?And the question will be used for political purposes by the dif-
>> >ferent parties. This is not surprising either.
>>
>> And in the Magyar Nemzet:
>>
>> >A "passziv eutanaziaval" kapcsolatban a katolikus egyhaz allaspontjat
>>  ismertetve
>> >Jelenits Istvan piarista teologus lapunknak kijelentette: mar az elnevezes
> sem
>>  pontos,
>> >hiszen az egyhaz mindig is elismerte azt a jogot, hogy az ember lemondjon a
z
>>  elet mesterseges
>> >meghosszabbitasanak lehetosegerol. A katolikus egyhaz ilyen forman csupan a
z
>>  "aktiv
>> >eutanaziat" tekinti eutanazianak, ami ellen viszont tovabbra is sulyos
>>  kifogasai vannak.
>>
>> In brief: According a teologist interviewed by the Magyar Nemzet, the
Catholic
>>  Church
>> does not consider the 'passive euthanasia' as euthanasia and always accepted
> the
>>  right
>> to suspend the artificial extention of the human life. However they
reject the
>>  idea
>> of 'active euthanasia'.
>>
>> J.Zs
>And this is not a new interpratation of a modern theologist. This was
>the position of the Catholic Church in the past, too. And just this is,
>or a bit less, what the new legal frame is all about. Only a lot more
>difficult and complicated ( formal declarations, documents and mandatory
>consulting for the patient. Also, it must be established that there are
>no promising therapies and life expectation must be below a year. ) than
>the rules of the moral-theologists.
>MKH
>
>I just received an email from my Nephew in Hungary.His father in law has
terminal cancer,he is receiving morphine,and is all the time sleeping.There
come a time when even this medication isn't helping,and the pain is un
endurable.
Is this the case to end life?I think his family realy do not want it,they
cling to the last minute to loose there father,husband.
I don't have an anweser.
Andy Kozma

Toronto.

****************** CALL FOR ACTION ****************

Priority:
   urgent

Background:
  The simultaneous integration of Romania and Hungary into NATO is in
the best interest of our Transylvanian Hungarian brethren, of the
region, and of our peoples and countries. This is also recognized by
the RMDSZ and by Hungarian politicians of the government as well as
of the opposition.
  Unfortunately, Romania is rarely mentioned when Western politicians
talk about NATO expansion. In a few weeks the NATO members will
adjudicate upon Romania's integration into NATO in the first wave.
Now we have to act URGENTLY.

What to do:
  Please support Romania's integration into the NATO by sending
Secretary of State Albright, Vice President Al Gore and President
Clinton the attached (or similar) letters.
  Note these politicians will only take notice if she receives
thousands of letters. Therefore please send at least one letter every
day and ask your friends who do not have contact with HL to do the
same.

e-mail address of Albright:


e-mail address of Gore:


e-mail address of Clinton:



*************************************************************

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
letter to Albright:
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

<date>

The Honorable Madeleine Albright
United States Secretary of State
U.S. Department of State
2201 C Street, NW
Washington, DC  20520
E-Mail: )

Dear Madame Secretary:

As a member of the Hungarian Lobby I am deeply interested in the
future of East-Central Europe, and recognize the need for simultaneous
integration of the countries of the region into NATO. This would
stabilize the whole region and assure the orderly transition toward
democracy and market economy, without the turmoil seen in the former
Yugoslavia.

Romania, a country of 23 milion people, with affinity toward western
culture, at the same time represents the best potential base of
stability in the Balkans.

Romania's ongoing political democratization and reorganization of all
central and local governmental institutions, the inclusion of the
large Hungarian minority in the government, and the expected
subsequent satisfaction of legitimate minority claims are -- and may
become -- positive examples for the countries of the region.

A look at the map of Europe shows Romania to be the gateway to the
East. Only through this gateway will it be possible to access the
heart of Europe, and the key that will allow this gateway to stay open
-- and to defend it effectively at the same time -- is NATO membership
for Romania.

With an important economic potential due to a large and fertile
agricultural area, her metallurgical and defense industries ready to
produce for her allies, possessing the biggest maritime port in
Eastern Europe, with a multiethnic population and large urban
comunities, Romania is just as much an important future partner and
ally of the European Community and of NATO as are Poland, the Czech
Republic, and Hungary.

For all the above considerations, I ask you, Madame Secretary, to
support the inclusion of Romania, along with Hungary, the Czech
Republic and Poland, among the first group of countries to be
integrated into NATO.

Respectfully,

<name, title, address>

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
letter to Al Gore:
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

<date>

The Honorable Al Gore
Vice President of the United States
The White House
Washington, D.C. 20001
(e-mail: )

Dear Mr. Vice President:

As a member of the Hungarian Lobby I am deeply interested in the
future of East-Central Europe, and recognize the need for simultaneous
integration of the countries of the region into NATO. This would
stabilize the whole region and assure the orderly transition toward
democracy and market economy, without the turmoil seen in the former
Yugoslavia.

Romania, a country of 23 milion people, with affinity toward western
culture, at the same time represents the best potential base of
stability in the Balkans.

Romania's ongoing political democratization and reorganization of all
central and local governmental institutions, the inclusion of the
large Hungarian minority in the government, and the expected
subsequent satisfaction of legitimate minority claims are -- and may
become -- positive examples for the countries of the region.

A look at the map of Europe shows Romania to be the gateway to the
East. Only through this gateway will it be possible to access the
heart of Europe, and the key that will allow this gateway to stay open
-- and to defend it effectively at the same time -- is NATO membership
for Romania.

With an important economic potential due to a large and fertile
agricultural area, her metallurgical and defense industries ready to
produce for her allies, possessing the biggest maritime port in
Eastern Europe, with a multiethnic population and large urban
comunities, Romania is just as much an important future partner and
ally of the European Community and of NATO as are Poland, the Czech
Republic, and Hungary.

For all the above considerations, I ask you, Mr. Vice President, to
support the inclusion of Romania, along with Hungary, the Czech
Republic and Poland, among the first group of countries to be
integrated into NATO.

Respectfully,

<name, title, address>

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
letter to Clinton:
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

<date>

The Honorable Bill Clinton
President of the United States
The White House
Washington, D.C. 20001
(e-mail: )

Dear Mr. President:

As a member of the Hungarian Lobby I am deeply interested in the
future of East-Central Europe, and recognize the need for simultaneous
integration of the countries of the region into NATO. This would
stabilize the whole region and assure the orderly transition toward
democracy and market economy, without the turmoil seen in the former
Yugoslavia.

Romania, a country of 23 milion people, with affinity toward western
culture, at the same time represents the best potential base of
stability in the Balkans.

Romania's ongoing political democratization and reorganization of all
central and local governmental institutions, the inclusion of the
large Hungarian minority in the government, and the expected
subsequent satisfaction of legitimate minority claims are -- and may
become -- positive examples for the countries of the region.

A look at the map of Europe shows Romania to be the gateway to the
East. Only through this gateway will it be possible to access the
heart of Europe, and the key that will allow this gateway to stay open
-- and to defend it effectively at the same time -- is NATO membership
for Romania.

With an important economic potential due to a large and fertile
agricultural area, her metallurgical and defense industries ready to
produce for her allies, possessing the biggest maritime port in
Eastern Europe, with a multiethnic population and large urban
comunities, Romania is just as much an important future partner and
ally of the European Community and of NATO as are Poland, the Czech
Republic, and Hungary.

For all the above considerations, I ask you, Mr. President, to
support the inclusion of Romania, along with Hungary, the Czech
Republic and Poland, among the first group of countries to be
integrated into NATO.

Respectfully,

<name, title, address>