At 06:03 PM 4/24/97 +0200, Miklos Hoffmann wrote:

>Joe Szalai wrote:

<snip>
>> Are you saying that it won't happen until it's not needed?  If you're
>> saying that, then it won't happen.
>
>I don4t think so. I mean, it4s already needed. I am aware, that
>the collective opinion in some developed countries surpresses
>the knowledge of it, but it appears impossible to stop a dynamic
>runaway ecologic catastrophy without some kind of a world govmnt.
>In this respect ( environmental issues ) the role of the US govern-
>ment ( e.g. in Rio ) was more than sad.

As long as the economic bottom line is the bottom line don't expect too
much.  Capital has no memory.  It has no history.  It only knows the bottom
line.  What did you expect Rio to do?  Environmental regulations are not
necessarily good for business because too much of it is not sustainable.
Rio was a good show, though.

Joe Szalai

At 08:51 PM 4/24/97 +0200, you wrote:
>Andrew J. Rozsa wrote:
>>
>
>> BTW, quite seriously (since you and me seem to be kidding a lot)
>> IF you ever are in the States you do have a standing invitation for
>> a visit to one of about 6 Hungarian families in Alabama. Dinner and
>> overnight housing included, of course.
>
Be cautious, I might hit! But I won4t be in the area before fall...

To this I replied privately.
>
>> BTW, we have some of the
>> most beautiful beaches in the World no more than a 4-hour drive from
>> here.
>
>I can confirm that. ( BTW, I committed the worst speeding in my driver
>life in Mobile. I somehow lost my way - with a NJ license plate - and
>asked a friendly cop. He said : "Ye just folla me", turned on his
>flashing red light and his propulsion engine. I did follow. Praying.
>VERY soon I was back on my route again. )

Did the nice State Trooper say to you: 'Y'all come back, y'hear?"

>The water in the Gulf (of Mexico) easily reaches 30 deg. Celsius
>> in the summer. :-)
>
>That4s good for the sharks and for the hurricans. :-(

Been here since 1972 and never saw a shark. As far as hurricane's
are concerned.... what's worse: floods, earthquakes, tsunamis,
snow and 30 degress below zero for 4 months, being tailgated at
200 km/hour on the Autobahn by a black Mercedes, standing in
line for two nights for aragaz in the dead of the winter, skin-heads
rioting, locusts, Russian soldiers (davai chas), the Securitatea,
Criva~tzul, the Foehn, ....... we seem to survive them all. No?

The worst I have ever experienced is a tornado that uprooted
my neighbor's oak tree and missed my house by 10 cm.  In
25 years, that's not bad.

>> ==================================================================
>> The killer is the shipping (outrageous!):
>> ==================================================================
>
>Well, it4s a long way to...well, Alabama.

I don't want them to WALK the wine over here...just ship them like
everyone else.



>> You, my friend, if your are my guest, will have to be satisfied with the
>> cheap stuff
>> (Egri Bikaver, Leanyka, Debroi Harslevelu) that I get for about $6
>> from some Chicago outfit.
>
>Amen. Cheers. Or was it the other way around?
>
>Miklss

Gesundheit/Prosit (Prost)

Bandi

  on Apr 22 19:52:18 EDT 1997 in HUNGARY #977:

>... for Borsszem Janko, try Tom Thumb.
>Eva Balogh

No; Tom Thumb is Hu"velyk Matyi

Ferenc

At 06:10 AM 4/25/97 -0400, Ferenc Novak wrote:
  on Apr 22 19:52:18 EDT 1997 in HUNGARY #977:
>
>>... for Borsszem Janko, try Tom Thumb.
>>Eva Balogh
>
>No; Tom Thumb is Hu"velyk Matyi

        Not according to Laszlo Orszagh. Or rather, both mean the same
thing. As far as the magazine is concerned I am sure that the pepper, and
the expression "borsot torni valakinek az orra ala" also had something to do
with the choice of name, but such expressions as "kicsi a bors, de eros,"
meaning, "the pepper corn is small but hot" leads me to believe that at
least the original meaning had something to do with "smallness."
        ESB

Ferenc Novak wrote:
>
>   on Apr 22 19:52:18 EDT 1997 in HUNGARY #977:
>
> >... for Borsszem Janko, try Tom Thumb.
> >Eva Balogh
>
> No; Tom Thumb is Hu"velyk Matyi
>
> Ferenc
Mondom, Johnny Pepper.

Joe Szalai wrote:
>
> At 06:03 PM 4/24/97 +0200, Miklos Hoffmann wrote:
>
> >Joe Szalai wrote:
>
> <snip>
> >> Are you saying that it won't happen until it's not needed?  If you're
> >> saying that, then it won't happen.
> >
> >I don4t think so. I mean, it4s already needed. I am aware, that
> >the collective opinion in some developed countries surpresses
> >the knowledge of it, but it appears impossible to stop a dynamic
> >runaway ecologic catastrophy without some kind of a world govmnt.
> >In this respect ( environmental issues ) the role of the US govern-
> >ment ( e.g. in Rio ) was more than sad.
>
> As long as the economic bottom line is the bottom line don't expect too
> much.  Capital has no memory.  It has no history.  It only knows the bottom
> line.  What did you expect Rio to do?

US government having been represented, not much. But exactly this
is THE problem.

> Environmental regulations are not
> necessarily good for business because too much of it is not sustainable.
> Rio was a good show, though.
>

Though, show it was.

As long as national economies and/or corporations may
gain competitive advantage by using up AT NO COST limited,
non-recoverable ressources like environment ( beloning not
them but mankind and the next generations ) it is a matter
of time ( and NOT VERY LONG TIME ) that we commit collective
suicide.

MKH

Elizabeth Gulacsy > wrote:

>Lipot and Lipolt.  I assume Lipot is the
>correct form (for Leopold).
>Borsszem Janko.  Name of a satirical journal or magazine.  How would
>you translate this into English.


1/. Lipo't would be the correct Hungarian form

2/. As for Borsszem Janko, I would try: Johnny Peppercorn.
Even the rhytm is similar.

Regards: Dominus

Eva, actually why were you so unhappy in Canada?  My only problem is the
climate.... Agnes

Andrew J. Rozsa wrote:
>
> Did the nice State Trooper say to you: 'Y'all come back, y'hear?"

4course he did.  I complaind about following. But understanding
him was harder...


> >That4s good for the sharks and for the hurricans. :-(
>
> Been here since 1972 and never saw a shark.

I saw some skeletons on those sandy beaches...

As far as hurricane's
> are concerned.... what's worse: floods, earthquakes, tsunamis,
> snow and 30 degress below zero for 4 months, being tailgated at
> 200 km/hour on the Autobahn by a black Mercedes,

That slow?

 standing in
> line for two nights for aragaz in the dead of the winter, skin-heads
> rioting, locusts, Russian soldiers (davai chas), the Securitatea,
> Criva~tzul, the Foehn, ....... we seem to survive them all. No?
>
There was a book : "es megis eluenk"

> The worst I have ever experienced is a tornado that uprooted
> my neighbor's oak tree and missed my house by 10 cm.

Hey, I had that here, in beautiful Schleswig-Holstein. Only,
it was my own tree...Of course no tornado, we are simple people
here. It was an ordinary orcane.

> In
> 25 years, that's not bad.

Just carry on like this!
>
> >Well, it4s a long way to...well, Alabama.
>
> I don't want them to WALK the wine over here...just ship them like
> everyone else.
>
That could be a solution...

> Gesundheit/Prosit (Prost)
Skol. Na zdrovie. Sanatate. Slanje Va ( not sure about spelling ).
Sante...&cetera
Take care
Miklos