Sometimes I wish non-Hungarians would refrain from writing in this
newsgroup. This health-care/hospital debate is one instance of the
sometimes.
You crypto-Commies out there:
Yes, health care is nominally free in Hungary:
but, if you want to be fed, you have to bribe the nurse.
Sometimes, if you want a bed, and not lie on a gurney in the hallway, you
have to bribe the administrators.
if you want to eat home-cooked meals, your relatives have to bribe  the
porter so he would let them in outside visiting hours.
If you want the doctors to stop by your bed during rounds, you must give
them tips.
If you want painkillers at night, you must tip the night nurse.
if you want to be washed, you must tip two nurses, one to turn you over,
and the other to do the washing.
Hospitals and other health care facilities are run on a feudal basis, the
people with money are cared for by the chief physicians, patients with
less money by the lesser lights, and poor people by the novices. Patient
stealing is frowned upon. A case in point: a young man in the family was
diagnosed with a cancerous tumor on his knee. His parents had money, so
when his doctor went to Boston for 3 months to study, no one in the
hospital would do anything for the 19 year old. By the time the doctor
came back, of course the cancer had spread to his hips and everywhere.
And this happened not in 1978, but 1993.
Autopsy is mandatory for people who die in hospitals, but the stated
cause of death is very general: heart failure, general toxaemia, etc.
Yours,
Tom Sulyok

I saw a list of Internet access providers in Budapest, and promptly lost
it.<g>

Does anyone have such a list, or any information about accessing the
Internet in Budapest ?

--
Martin Balo

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Stefan Gimeson ) wrote:
: In article >,
: Joe Pannon  > wrote:
: >Sandra:
: >
: >> Can anyone give me any insight into what hospitals and health care are
: >> like in Hungary?  My Grandmother who lives there died recently and we
: >> (over here in Canada) are concerned about the circumstances
: >> surrounding her death.  What about laws governing death certificates
: >> etc...do "they" have to record the CAUSE of death on the death
: >> certificate?
: >
: >Forget it.  Malpractice law suits are not something the doctors have to
: >worry there about.  My father also died in misterious circumstances in
: >one of the hospitals there, while in a routine, 2-day visit.  His
: >roommates told my mother (making a routine visit there next morning) about
: >his excruciating last few hours of his life.  In his pain my dad scraped
: >the wall with his finger nails so hard that it was still bloody
: >from it when my mother saw his dead body there covered with white
: >sheet.  No hospital personal cared about his suffering.  This was in 1978,
: >but I don't think it's much better now, save few hospitals wich now may have
: >sister nurses.
: >
: >I would not like to get into hospital there.

: Please don't talk about things you know nothing about. I have a lot of
: relatives in Hungary, and many of them have spent time in hungarian
: hospitals. There is nothing wrong with the way they handle people there.
: I understand that your experience in 1978 (16 years ago...) made you
: feel very negative about hungarian healthcare, but a lot of things have
: happened since then, and the care today is about as good as in Sweden
: (where I live). And it's free.

: /stefan

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Ok:  So far everyone has been willing to speak about this and I
appreciate it, however; why would our family (my father and his 5
brothers and 1 sister) not be told why she died....or even when she
died.  It was about 36 hours later when they finally were notified that
she had died--she wasn't in her hospital bed for two of their visits
after having simple gallstone removal surgery--otherwise she was quite
healthy.  Why the lack of communication/information?  How can someone
be dead for nearly two days before anyone notifies the family?  Upon
visiting, the deceased's daughter was told by nurses that they didn't
know where she was.  This explanation was excepted the first visit but
the next day upon discovering an empty bed again they finally
discovered that she passed away.  Is this odd or not?  Could it be a
communication problem perhaps?

Your help, ideas, and explanations so far are greatly appreciated.
I'm only diving into this for my own understanding and grieving.

Sandra

(nee Szilagyi)

Thanks to Andra1a Kornai for further illumination on personal name origins.
I am expecially impressed by his reference to Boldogko3va1ralja, a tiny
place in the Zemle1ni hegyse1g in northeast Hungary near my familiy's
village.  It boasts neat, well-preserved ruins of a medieval va1r [castle/
fortress]--hence the name--that sits atop a rocky outcrop and commands a
magnificent view of the surrounding valley.  BTW, even this place name is
apparently a corruption from Bodrog, the name of the river that runs trough
[through] the valley.  Either way, it's a beautiful spot, well worth a visit.

Udv.,
Be1la

On Fri, 18 Nov 1994, Martin Balo wrote:

> I saw a list of Internet access providers in Budapest, and promptly lost
> it.<g>
>
> Does anyone have such a list, or any information about accessing the
> Internet in Budapest ?
>
> --
> Martin Balo
>
> Internet: 
>

ODIN Kft. is the only commercial Internet access provider in Budapest.
They have full Internet access SLIP or host for 3200 Ft/month.

For more information contact Imre Fitos at  via email.

Zoli

Zoli ) wrote:

: ODIN Kft. is the only commercial Internet access provider in Budapest.
: They have full Internet access SLIP or host for 3200 Ft/month.

Do you have any personal experience with ODIN Kft. ?

Also, what is the current dollar/forint exchange rate ?

Is there any place on the Internet where one can find current exchange
rates ?

Thanks for your help !
--
Martin Balo

Internet: