On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, E.S. Balogh wrote:
> > 5. There is a difference in the quality of education between
> > schools (secondary or higher education) from different parts
> > of any country. Why is the same a sin in Hungary?
> It is certainly not a sin. But it is unfortunate that the best high
> schools in the country are only a few kilometers from each other. It doesn't
> bode well for some talented kids who happen not to be living near those
The problem was presented like it was a unique one to Hungary.
I have objected to that part only.
> > 6. How many people have conducted research before 1945, in law
> > or any other field in Hungary? Not many. If that is the case
> > there is not much base to criticize Hungary of the 50's for
> > such lack.
> What are you saying? That before 1945 the educational level of
> Hungarian universities were inadequate? I doubt that very much. I am almost
Yes, in law the level was dismal. One didn't even have to at-
tend lectures, didn't even have to set foot on the premises ex-
cept for "exams". I don't call this an "in depth education".
> above I assume you will be able to admit it too. Not the end of the world.
Sorry, I have nothing to admit.
> Out of my two years at ELTE I received practically no credit toward my
> honors B.A. So what! I lost two years and a few extras while I was learning
Don't you think this had to do with "cold war" bias?
> > 7. I don't care for Torgyan, but I refuse to blame him for try-
> > ing to survive at a trying time. He was writing his dissert-
> > ation according to the requirements of the time and wanted
> > to get on with his life. Let's stop being hypocritical and
> > stop criticizing a person from the hindsight and benefit of
> > 40+ years.If you don't like what he has done later as a law-
> > yer or politician, criticize him for that
> I repeat what I said earlier. One didn't have to pick topics which
> were "touchy." He could have written a dissertation on medieval Hungarian
> law--a far less risky topic. I knew people who actually changed majors in
> order to avoid topics which would have compromised them: from history to
> folklore, for example. Or from modern history to medieval history. There
> were ways to avoid the kind of overzealousness Mr. Torgyan exhibited in his
We have absolutely no right, nobody does, to expect people to be
heroes. Peoples' primary duty is self-preservation. And the sooner
we will realize this fact of life, the sooner we will stop getting
on the back of people we don't like.
> > 8. There is no way ESB will give any credit to Horn, regardless
> > of the quality of his dissertation, or for anything else. In
> > her eyes he is not to be forgiven. The way I look at it, he
> > has lived down any sin, if he ever had any,by saving Hungary
> > from economic disaster.
> books behind them--received this degree and therefore I have a fair idea
> what was expected. My suspicion is that Mr. Horn, a politician, not a
Having a "fair idea" is somewhat less than scientific in my view.
> scholar, cannot be quite compared with the people I am thinking of. It has
> absolutely nothing to do with Mr. Horn's political past. It has something to
> do with his qualifications as a "kandidatus" of economics.
This is nothing but bias. You have expressed your views many
times about Mr. Horn.You have simply not enough info. to doubt his
qualification.Otherwise you have advertised it all over the Inter-
> As for Mr. Horn's saving the nation from financial disaster--I have
> the feeling that it took some doing on the part of real economists to
> convince Mr. Horn to do what he had to do. However, at least after eight
> months of doing nothing and many steps backward in the process he did come
> through. But, you know, Amos, it is not such a great feat when you have no
And just who has asked those "real" economists? And who has
made the final decision? Wasting eight months is still better
than wasting four years like the previous gov't.
Please note that I am representing my views, and only mine.
What Dominus says and thinks is his business. I have never de-
veloped a herd instinct, and I won't start now.
There is no use of discussing these matters--our positions are too
As for receiving credit for my courses taken at ELTE it has
absolutely nothing to do with bias: my major was Hungarian literature and
linquistics. Surely, they couldn't give me credit for courses not offered at
the university. Moreover, they had absolutely nothing to do with my new
major, history. For the useless psychology course, I did receive
credit--thus I didn't have to take an introductory social science course. If
they had just known what that course consisted of!! I also received credit
for one year of German. ESB
At 08:33 PM 8/15/97 -0400, you wrote:
> Oh, and I almost forget. Isn't interesting: Dominus thinks that I
>defend Mr. Horn, the "pufajkas," while Amos Danube thinks that I cannot
>forgive Mr. Horn for his role of 1956. You guys better decide! ESB
>Dear Eva:would you help me to unsubscribe from this list.
No alterior motives,but have too many other things to do.
Thank's Andy K.